The Men Who Made Us Thin. BBC.

zolabud · Aug 9, 2013

Just finished watching this.

http://www.bbc.co.uk/iplayer/episode/b0 ... Episode_1/

Available on the BBC I Player 'til the 5th September.

Very informative.....

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As obesity escalates, the diet business is booming. In this four-part series, Jacques Peretti investigates the connections between obesity and weight loss, and confronts some of the men making a fortune from our desire to become thin.

Jacques examines the scientific reasons why so many diets fail long term and why - in spite of this failure - we go back to them again and again. He also speaks to a former director of Weight Watchers and meets other industry leaders, including Slimfast billionaire Danny Abrahams and Pierre Dukan, of the Dukan diet."

Daibell · Aug 9, 2013

I'm afraid I wasn't so impressed with the programme. It talked about all diets failing but didn't offer any alternative. It dwelled on the profit aspects rather than the fact that some of the diets themselves worked IF the dieter stuck to them. 16% did have long-term success which to me is better than 0% without the diet. Many on this forum including myself have stuck to a low-carb diet for many years i.e. more than 5 as we have no choice. This diet is effectively the Atkins diet although I had never heard of Atkins when I reduced my carbs. The programme ended leaving viewers with no on-going advice on losing weight.

zolabud · Aug 9, 2013

I shall watch the other 3 parts with interest....

Hooked · Aug 9, 2013

It seemed to all coming down to the one thing, which is what I have always said;
You have to stick at it in order to keep the weight off. Going back to old eating habits/higher calories than you expend will without fail put the weight back on. This is why the likes of slimming meal replacement shakes etc don't work long term (no one can sustain that) and the likes of Slimming World try to teach us a healthier way of eating and exercise for life.

daisy1 · Aug 9, 2013

zolabud said:
I shall watch the other 3 parts with interest....

I would appreciate very much if you could put the links on for each episode as it's easier for me to see them here as you did the first time.
Thanks

zolabud · Aug 9, 2013

Will do Daisy.

They will only be on the I Player for around a week.

I will see if they are on You Tube....

noblehead · Aug 9, 2013

Hooked said:
It seemed to all coming down to the one thing, which is what I have always said;
You have to stick at it in order to keep the weight off. Going back to old eating habits/higher calories than you expend will without fail put the weight back on. This is why the likes of slimming meal replacement shakes etc don't work long term (no one can sustain that) and the likes of Slimming World try to teach us a healthier way of eating and exercise for life.

Quite agree Hooked, it's about changing eating habits completely otherwise the weight returns, yo-yo dieting never works in the long-term IMHO.

HiEnergizer · Aug 9, 2013

We watched it and it was a brilliant programme.

Just as I said in discussion on another thread:

Just remember, Pharmaceutical companies never want to cure you of anything. Everything they do is to keep you living longer so someone has to keep paying for the medication.

Totally AGREE.

I would also say that the medications themselves very often cause other serious long term health issues, which again leads to the pharmaceutical industry providing more products, which leads to more money for them.

With the amount of chemicals that we are indirectly forced fed through pumped up chickens/meat and commercially farmed products, our body has no way of operating efficently. It's a spanner in the works! The best cure is prevention of the governments approval of so called "safe chemicals"going into our body but the problem is to do that we have to stop shopping and only eat what we can produce personally, and let's face it that is not a viable option either.

Pharmaceutical and chemical companies as a group create the problems and they manage it very efficently, just like a commercial poultry farmer manages his stock, our body is their stock, they do as they wish with us and the govenment is in their pocket, making the laws to help themselves. Nice setup!

A real cure for diabetes is not a single thing but a combination of actions and steps taken by individuals, but when there is so much power and money used by these corporations to protect their control over their "stock" (us) and the profits we bring as that stock, there will never be a cure for diabetes other than taking preventative steps as much as possible.

We fell for the weight loss cons ourselves and learnt by experience.

Has anyone seen a fat sparrow or any other fat wild animal that lives off wild plants, without the intervention of humans? I haven't.

If anyone noticed, the people in the BBC 2 programme, who are running these companies, were not so slim were they! :wink: Funny how they don't advertise the product personally but they get skinny models to do it for them. Models who obviously didn't use the product to get that way. Next time you watch a slimming ad, watch their body language, particularly the nodding of the head which seems to go in the opposite direction to what they are saying. i.e. nodding "no" whilst saying the product worked for them! :lol:

When we were in our teen years our body was working very efficiently, but once we pass our 25th year, our cellular level brakes were put on by way of the slowing down of production of certain chemicals that kept us "fit" without the need for going to the gym and wearing down the body by "WORKING OUT" and subsiquently looking forward to joint problems in the future!

What these "perfect abs" people don't advertise is the heart problems that they suffer in their later life as a direct result of all the extra pumping of weights they did in early years! :lol:

Energy flow is the key, how often now do you have to push yourself out of the sofa? did you do that when you were in your 20's?

More energy and using that energy in a normal way is the way forward, i.e. things that we did in our 20's but that takes energy that we don't have in our 30's and up. Restore that energy production efficiency and you have a cure. Simple.

Hooked · Aug 9, 2013

We fell for the weight loss cons ourselves and learnt by experience.

But there was no cons covered in the show last night (at least that I recall).
They all do what they say "on the tin". Eat/drink this in place of normal meals and you will lose weight. Follow our eating plan and you will lose weight. Cut out A, B or C and you will lose weight. They all work in achieving that. They are all reducing the amount of calories you are putting into your body from what you would have been eating before.

It's maintaining the diet and maintaining the weight loss that people find difficult. There's no magic formula for that other than sensible eating/exercise and willpower.

Anonymous · Aug 9, 2013

HiEnergizer said:
We watched it and it was a brilliant programme.

Just as I said in discussion on another thread:

Just remember, Pharmaceutical companies never want to cure you of anything. Everything they do is to keep you living longer so someone has to keep paying for the medication.

Click to expand...

Totally AGREE.

I would also say that the medications themselves very often cause other serious long term health issues, which again leads to the pharmaceutical industry providing more products, which leads to more money for them.

With the amount of chemicals that we are indirectly forced fed through pumped up chickens/meat and commercially farmed products, our body has no way of operating efficently. It's a spanner in the works! The best cure is prevention of the governments approval of so called "safe chemicals"going into our body but the problem is to do that we have to stop shopping and only eat what we can produce personally, and let's face it that is not a viable option either.

Pharmaceutical and chemical companies as a group create the problems and they manage it very efficently, just like a commercial poultry farmer manages his stock, our body is their stock, they do as they wish with us and the govenment is in their pocket, making the laws to help themselves. Nice setup!

A real cure for diabetes is not a single thing but a combination of actions and steps taken by individuals, but when there is so much power and money used by these corporations to protect their control over their "stock" (us) and the profits we bring as that stock, there will never be a cure for diabetes other than taking preventative steps as much as possible.

Click to expand...

We fell for the weight loss cons ourselves and learnt by experience.

Has anyone seen a fat sparrow or any other fat wild animal that lives off wild plants, without the intervention of humans? I haven't.

If anyone noticed, the people in the BBC 2 programme, who are running these companies, were not so slim were they! :wink: Funny how they don't advertise the product personally but they get skinny models to do it for them. Models who obviously didn't use the product to get that way. Next time you watch a slimming ad, watch their body language, particularly the nodding of the head which seems to go in the opposite direction to what they are saying. i.e. nodding "no" whilst saying the product worked for them! :lol:

When we were in our teen years our body was working very efficiently, but once we pass our 25th year, our cellular level brakes were put on by way of the slowing down of production of certain chemicals that kept us "fit" without the need for going to the gym and wearing down the body by "WORKING OUT" and subsiquently looking forward to joint problems in the future!

What these "perfect abs" people don't advertise is the heart problems that they suffer in their later life as a direct result of all the extra pumping of weights they did in early years! :lol:

Energy flow is the key, how often now do you have to push yourself out of the sofa? did you do that when you were in your 20's?

More energy and using that energy in a normal way is the way forward, i.e. things that we did in our 20's but that takes energy that we don't have in our 30's and up. Restore that energy production efficiency and you have a cure. Simple.

I've noticed the head nodding/shaking too in many different ads. Perhaps they all have Asian roots? :crazy: Anyway, I think it is down to the individual to fight or manage their craving for sweet things rather than looking for 'magical' substitutes or trying to invent cakes & chocolate which are sweet without sugars.

I can remember times, on a long car journey, when I have actually craved a McDonalds (crazy!). But I know it was my brain knowing what was in the food that was going to satisfy me, and it certainly wasn't artificial chips & meat and the buns are more air than anything.

Hooked · Aug 9, 2013

gezzathorpe said:
HiEnergizer said:

We watched it and it was a brilliant programme.

Just as I said in discussion on another thread:

Just remember, Pharmaceutical companies never want to cure you of anything. Everything they do is to keep you living longer so someone has to keep paying for the medication.

Click to expand...

Totally AGREE.

I would also say that the medications themselves very often cause other serious long term health issues, which again leads to the pharmaceutical industry providing more products, which leads to more money for them.

With the amount of chemicals that we are indirectly forced fed through pumped up chickens/meat and commercially farmed products, our body has no way of operating efficently. It's a spanner in the works! The best cure is prevention of the governments approval of so called "safe chemicals"going into our body but the problem is to do that we have to stop shopping and only eat what we can produce personally, and let's face it that is not a viable option either.

Pharmaceutical and chemical companies as a group create the problems and they manage it very efficently, just like a commercial poultry farmer manages his stock, our body is their stock, they do as they wish with us and the govenment is in their pocket, making the laws to help themselves. Nice setup!

A real cure for diabetes is not a single thing but a combination of actions and steps taken by individuals, but when there is so much power and money used by these corporations to protect their control over their "stock" (us) and the profits we bring as that stock, there will never be a cure for diabetes other than taking preventative steps as much as possible.

Click to expand...

We fell for the weight loss cons ourselves and learnt by experience.

Has anyone seen a fat sparrow or any other fat wild animal that lives off wild plants, without the intervention of humans? I haven't.

If anyone noticed, the people in the BBC 2 programme, who are running these companies, were not so slim were they! :wink: Funny how they don't advertise the product personally but they get skinny models to do it for them. Models who obviously didn't use the product to get that way. Next time you watch a slimming ad, watch their body language, particularly the nodding of the head which seems to go in the opposite direction to what they are saying. i.e. nodding "no" whilst saying the product worked for them! :lol:

When we were in our teen years our body was working very efficiently, but once we pass our 25th year, our cellular level brakes were put on by way of the slowing down of production of certain chemicals that kept us "fit" without the need for going to the gym and wearing down the body by "WORKING OUT" and subsiquently looking forward to joint problems in the future!

What these "perfect abs" people don't advertise is the heart problems that they suffer in their later life as a direct result of all the extra pumping of weights they did in early years! :lol:

Energy flow is the key, how often now do you have to push yourself out of the sofa? did you do that when you were in your 20's?

More energy and using that energy in a normal way is the way forward, i.e. things that we did in our 20's but that takes energy that we don't have in our 30's and up. Restore that energy production efficiency and you have a cure. Simple.

Click to expand...

I've noticed the head nodding/shaking too in many different ads. Perhaps they all have Asian roots? :crazy: Anyway, I think it is down to the individual to fight or manage their craving for sweet things rather than looking for 'magical' substitutes or trying to invent cakes & chocolate which are sweet without sugars.

I can remember times, on a long car journey, when I have actually craved a McDonalds (crazy!). But I know it was my brain knowing what was in the food that was going to satisfy me, and it certainly wasn't artificial chips & meat and the buns are more air than anything.

Perhaps it was those golden arches subliminally calling to you as you drove along.... :wink:

Anonymous · Aug 9, 2013

Hooked said:
Perhaps it was those golden arches subliminally calling to you as you drove along.... :wink:

I really wanted the free toy!

Hooked · Aug 9, 2013

gezzathorpe said:
Hooked said:

Perhaps it was those golden arches subliminally calling to you as you drove along.... :wink:

Click to expand...

I really wanted the free toy!

:lol:

hanadr · Aug 9, 2013

I saw most of the episode. the trouble with diets is that not many people lose weight successfully and even fewer keep the weight off for 5 years. It requires a complete lifestyle change to succeed and not many folks have the motivation to do it.
Even more don't believe in lifestyle changee.
I'm a low carber. Long enough to have got used to it. I'm by no means 100% compliant with my own pattern, but i always get back on track fairly fast. I'm frequently asked how I manage to keep away from those delicious foods. I do miss them and if i didn't have the discipline of the BG meer, I might revert. I still love bread and potatoes, pasta and rice. I don't eat them often and if i do, I have TINY portions. I find I can get over my craving that way.
It took years to reach this point. I personally cannot see where the control mechanism is in calorie counting.
Hana

zolabud · Aug 16, 2013

Part 2.

http://www.bbc.co.uk/iplayer/episode/b0 ... Episode_2/

In the second of this four-part series, Jacques Peretti charts the story of the fitness industry and examines the links between exercise and weight loss. He speaks to the former Global Head of Health at PepsiCo and asks why the food industry puts so much money into promoting exercise.

Peretti also examines some of the pharmaceutical solutions available for weight-loss as he tells the story of the race to find a safe and effective pill to make us thin.

Availab;e on the BBC I Player 'til
9:59PM Thu, 5 Sep 2013

zolabud · Aug 22, 2013

Part 3 of The Men Who Made Us Thin is on tonight at 9.00 on BBC 2.

http://www.bbc.co.uk/iplayer/episode/b0 ... Episode_3/

Season 1 Episode 3 of 4
Jacques Peretti discovers how the World Health Organisation's recognition of obesity as an epidemic provided millions of new customers for slimming businesses as it created greater anxiety about people's weight. He also looks at the origins of the weight-loss surgery industry and meets Dr Mathias `Mal' Fobi, who reveals how some Hollywood celebrities he operated on pretended they shed the pounds because of nutritional programmes or diets

Now this will be interesting as I watch celebrities stating they had followed this diet or that diet and I have always been very sceptical of their claims.

This programme reveals all !!

zolabud · Aug 30, 2013

The Men Who Made Us Thin. Part 4 was on last night I think.

http://www.bbc.co.uk/iplayer/episode/b0 ... Episode_4/

In the final instalment of this four-part series, Jacques Peretti asks why the world's population continues to get fatter, despite the fact that billions are spent on weight loss every year. He travels to America to investigate the parallels between food companies and the tobacco industry and meets the activists battling to introduce laws to tax fatty and sugary foods - and facing fierce resistance from industry.

Available on the BBC I player until Thursday 5th September.

Daibell · Aug 30, 2013

I wonder how many years/centuries it will take before the world wakes up to the fact that it's the carbs that are the culprit plus over-sized portions. Even when the world wakes up to that it will take the same time again to clear the supermarket shelves of refined carbs and sugar.

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