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noblehead said:I can concur with the following which is often overlooked:
''Self-management of diabetes is physically, intellectually, emotionally and socially
demanding. Non-engagement with self-management may make sense in the context of low
personal resources (e.g. health literacy, resilience) and overwhelming personal, family and
social circumstances''.
catherinecherub said:Didn't get back to you zxxy, I have been out shopping. Two lads home from University are eating me out of house and home.
xyzzy said:If I read that right it says you agree that if as a diabetic you are challenged physically, intellectually or emotionally or are poor it may make sense not to have a personal interest in looking after yourself?
noblehead said:xyzzy said:If I read that right it says you agree that if as a diabetic you are challenged physically, intellectually or emotionally or are poor it may make sense not to have a personal interest in looking after yourself?
Thankfully I'm neither challenged physically or intellectually but there has been many times in my life where I have been emotionally challenged due to family bereavements/crisis for example, diabetes doesn't always take precedence and some things are more important in life (that's not to say I don't take my insulin, only missed one injection in 30 years). Those who have diabetes and are physically/intellectually challenged face barriers we can only imagine.
''What a depressing message for you to push''.
Sorry I had to laugh at this :lol:........ what message is it that I'm trying to push?
I can concur with the following which is often overlooked:
''Self-management of diabetes is physically, intellectually, emotionally and socially
demanding. Non-engagement with self-management may make sense in the context of low
personal resources (e.g. health literacy, resilience) and overwhelming personal, family and
social circumstances''.
In th UK in spite of what is promoted three quarters of the people aren't eating 5 portions of fruit and veg . Consumption is affected by income with "consumption associated with higher income, and vice versa" 32 per cent of men and 37 per cent of women in the best off households ate 5 or more but only 18 per cent of men and 19 per cent of women in the lowest quintile did so.”Surely even if it were true then it's society's responsibility to set the norms that most people would then adopt without realising they are doing it. So in this country most people do the 5 a day, 50% carbs, Low fat stuff as that's what society tells them they should do.
other society's that aren't so defeatist they take the view that you can help the entire population by CHANGING the norms. Banging back to my Swedish lot where LCHF (Low Carb High Fat) is now pushed as the message then getting the population to accept that LCHF message also pushes their dietary recommendations for diabetics which implicitly helps those members of the diabetic population where "It does my head in" as all they need to do is follow the social norms to get helped.
Good advice I thinkChanging as little as possible is often successful in counseling about diets. In simple terms, the existing diet often become more like any of the diets that may be helpful in diabetes without the patient fully must abandon their previous eating habit.......
A first step in dietary advice is to work with the patient revise your eating habits and replace individual foods to more favorable options, such as increasing the proportion of unsaturated fat and carbohydrate foods with low GI (at the expense of saturated fat and foods rich in simple carbohydrates). If the patient needs to change its eating habits radically to achieve a good diet, it is often easier to make changes incrementally. Many patients need to lose weight. Adapting energy intake to the individual need is just as important as introducing new foods
Great post Lucy :clap:lucylocket61 said:I agree with xyzzy and the others that a simple, straightforward message is best to begin with.
That is why I found the message Daisy1 sends to each newbie to be very, very helpful to me to begin with and I keep referring back to it.
I think, maybe in a few months, I will understand the message xyzzy put up as well. but not just yet.
For me this forum can be a bit like walking into a computer club. I sort of know I need to use a computer, I sort of know a few terms being used, but any debate between members confuses me at that point and makes me want to back away and get overwhelmed. Coping with the initial shock is bad enough, but trying to wade through all the very helpful and pertinent info given is difficult to absorb.
lucylocket61 said:I agree with xyzzy and the others that a simple, straightforward message is best to begin with.
That is why I found the message Daisy1 sends to each newbie to be very, very helpful to me to begin with and I keep referring back to it.
I think, maybe in a few months, I will understand the message xyzzy put up as well. but not just yet.
For me this forum can be a bit like walking into a computer club. I sort of know I need to use a computer, I sort of know a few terms being used, but any debate between members confuses me at that point and makes me want to back away and get overwhelmed. Coping with the initial shock is bad enough, but trying to wade through all the very helpful and pertinent info given is difficult to absorb.
Perhaps there could be a sub-group on the forum for the Not Newbie, but ready to Discuss types?
I am not criticising here. You have all raised the point of what is helpful or not to newbies. And I am giving my own personal view of the forum as I see it at this stage of my diagnosis.
PS I read nobleheads post as an honest appraisal of some of the problems, as a base point of being able to start to help those the medical system is failing. I do not find it depressing, I find straightforward talking refreshing and positive.
lucylocket61 said:I agree with xyzzy and the others that a simple, straightforward message is best to begin with.
That is why I found the message Daisy1 sends to each newbie to be very, very helpful to me to begin with and I keep referring back to it.
I think, maybe in a few months, I will understand the message xyzzy put up as well. but not just yet.
For me this forum can be a bit like walking into a computer club. I sort of know I need to use a computer, I sort of know a few terms being used, but any debate between members confuses me at that point and makes me want to back away and get overwhelmed. Coping with the initial shock is bad enough, but trying to wade through all the very helpful and pertinent info given is difficult to absorb.
Perhaps there could be a sub-group on the forum for the Not Newbie, but ready to Discuss types?
I am not criticising here. You have all raised the point of what is helpful or not to newbies. And I am giving my own personal view of the forum as I see it at this stage of my diagnosis.
PS I read nobleheads post as an honest appraisal of some of the problems, as a base point of being able to start to help those the medical system is failing. I do not find it depressing, I find straightforward talking refreshing and positive.
phoenix said:Even though people on forums are a fairly 'select' group it's worth remembering there will be people with unseen and possibly undisclosed barriers to self management. People don't reveal their all on the internet . People may have restricted incomes. They may have other illnesses, some may have dietary restrictions. They may have an eating disorder, mental illness.They may not know what a carb is nor yet be able to calculate them. We don't know
We are not one standard size.
phoenix said:In th UK in spite of what is promoted three quarters of the people aren't eating 5 portions of fruit and veg . Consumption is affected by income with "consumption associated with higher income, and vice versa" 32 per cent of men and 37 per cent of women in the best off households ate 5 or more but only 18 per cent of men and 19 per cent of women in the lowest quintile did so.”
People eat more saturated fat than recommended. They may eat nearly fifty percent of their diet as carbohydrate (48%) but 46% of those carbs are sugar!(29% of the carbs come in the form of added sugar .. technically from non milk extrinsic sugars ie not from milk or from within the plant cell. )
phoenix said:The Swedish diet guidelines , rightly in my opinion , don't suggest the impostion of any particular diet
phoenix said:Changing as little as possible is often successful in counseling about diets. In simple terms, the existing diet often become more like any of the diets that may be helpful in diabetes without the patient fully must abandon their previous eating habit.......
phoenix said:One said' Many people' told the association that they were rarely called to see a doctor and never saw a nurse or dietitian.Several said they do not get any blood glucose meter, but only one value during the visit. (and indeed they have been fighting for strips for T2)
The diet consists of meat, fish, shellfish, eggs, vegetables, legumes and vegetable proteins and fats from olive oil and butter. The diet includes less sugar, bread, cereals, potatoes, root vegetables and rice than a traditional diabetes diet.
Unbeliever said:Totally agree with Jopar I am very glad that Defren manages so well and I too, have been in a siuation where I might have staved but for the internet but what of those who dont have access to a compoputer or an accepable way of paying for goods bought online.
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