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Mrsmac247

Mrsmac247

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Type of diabetes
Type 2
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Tablets (oral)
Hi everyone, I'm new here and after being diagnosed with type 2 on Wednesday and seeing that lchf is the way to go, last night i ate my first low carb meal, it was a takeaway but in myredemption it was a chicken shish kebab with garlic maionese and salad consisting of cabbage, lettuce, onion and tomatoe. We even ordered extra salad which i used to top up mine.

This morning, as my husband came back from the gym, we decided to try a new way of breakfast and had 2 eggs, 2 bacon some mushroom and a tomato all cooked in butter. My drinks have consisted of robinson type juice (no added sugar) diluted down more than i used to, water and tea with full fat cream and a hint of splenda.

The reason I'm posting is that i feel very nauseus. When i think of dinner whiich we will try making garlic and butter chicken with veg, i just feel sick. I just dont think i can stomach another plate of food with so much fat even thinking about it makes me want to heave.

Any ideas as to what I am doing wrong? I am actually contemplating not eating because i just dont think i can stomach any more fat, butter or grease. Does lchf work for everyone and if not are there any other alternatives?:(
 
How about cutting back some of the fat and just adding extra vegetables or protein instead.

I think there are ways to keep up the calories without making them up out of fat.

I personally couldn't stomach a high fat diet either
 
It's not strictly necessary to load up on fat :D Some people like it and it makes up their calorie deficit made by cutting out the carbs, others use high/er fat, which in my case is eating as much fat as I want to and can tolerate. By which I mean I don't go out of my way to add fat, but choose the full fat versions of yoghurt and cheese, use butter not spread, and do use cream with sugar free jelly.

Just find a level that works for your own tastes ;)

Signy
 
:)I eat a fairly low carb diet but like you , I cant stomach too much fat , mainly because I have awful GORD ( a type of reflux ) and too much fat plays havoc , I`d say I eat a moderate amount of fat but quite a lot of protein , we all have to do what suits our bodies , as long as it also suits our diabetes
 
You'll probably, but not necessarily, at some point suffer withdrawal symptoms from reducing your carbohydrates, so be aware that you may feel a bit off for a while. But it soon goes. Just make sure too that you drink plenty of water and keep up you salt uptake, as you can also lose a lot of fluid on a lower carb diet.

Robbity
 
Sounds like you are fed up with grease rather than fat, which is understandable. But there are other types of fat - nuts and cheese for example. Also, you don't need to have loads of fat, just enough to stop you getting hungry.

Consider hard boiled eggs for breakfast rather than fried. For an evening meal, here's something I commonly have: roast chicken breast with skin (I buy pre-cooked at supermarket), cucumber slices, half a bell pepper, coleslaw (I like tesco finest), a few cherry tomatoes, small chunk of cheddar cheese, some salad leaves. Not greasy at all (some might find it a little dry actually, but that's where the coleslaw helps - you might add a salad dressing instead or as well) For desert I'll often have blueberries/raspberries with full fat greek yoghurt. For snacks I have nuts, cheese, and occasionally 9bars, 85% chocolate.

Just some ideas if you're not in the mood for grease. Also you may want to experiment with olive oil rather than butter for frying - I find butter a bit 'rich' for everyday frying.

Andy
 
thank you all for your replies, i know that i havent given this long enough but after nearly 24 hours i am feeling quite nauseus, i am snappy at everyone in the house (which i read up about before)makes me wonder if i have done this too fast and should have cut down before cutting out.

just came back from the supermarket where we got some salad stuff, cheese and chicken breasts as well as lurpack garlic butter. Going to press ahead with the kiev idea for dinner.

I didnt realise that coleslaw was on the menu, do i have to look for any particular kind? as well with the salad garnish?

Thank you all again
 
[Edit: Many of my suggestions mirror Andy's. I take a long time to post, but perhaps you'll find a few additional ideas here]...

I'm new to the LCHF diet to and still learning. In response to your aversion to fats. There's so many interesting ways to add fat to your diet...

My favorites are eating avocado, nuts with no added ingredients, and a variety of hard cheeses.

A small amount of berries with a full fat, unsweetened yogurt or cream perhaps. Or raw veggies with yogurt. Add a little dill if you like. FAGE is a brand mentioned often here. I'm not able to get full fat, but can get 2%. You mentioned having full fat cream in your tea. That's good!

Milled flaxseed added to your salad or yogurt. Store in fridge or freezer to maintain freshness. Mill your own with a coffee grinder.

For a good, basic salad dressing, I pour 1 tablespoon red wine vinegar (or balsamic) and 2 tablespoons extra virgin olive oil (EVOO) into a jar, shake, then pour some, not all of it, on salad. I store the jar in the refrigerator so I only need to wash it once a week. There's lots of vinaigrette recipes online to try.

Now I have questions for you...

I'm unfamiliar with "Robinson type juice". Is this similar to what you're referring to?... http://www.bevnet.com/news/2015/robinson-beverages-launches-premium-juice-brand-crude Have you thought about trying to eliminate all grains, fruit, and sugar and polyunsaturated oils from your diet for now? There's a bit of a withdrawal period, but I felt so much better once I did this at the start of the diet. No more carb cravings.

Mayonnaise continues to be a challenge for me because here in the US, it's almost always made with oils high in polyunsaturated fats such as canola or soybean. And shockingly, some mayonaisse here doesn't contain eggs, which is a bit of a head scratcher. So it's important to read labels.

The goal on the low carb high fat (LCHF) diet is to minimize polyunsaturated oils, and to maximize monounsaturated and saturated foods, fats, and oils. I'm now experimenting with making mayonnaise with extra virgin olive oil (EVOO) - (easily done with a hand mixer) - but it definitely looks and tastes different. More experimenting to follow. For now I'm using Best Foods Olive Oil Mayonnaise Dressing, but it also has soybean oil in it, though hopefully less due to the addition of olive oil.

What type of salad dressing did you use last night? Most restaurant dressings are high in sugar. A way around this is to request a balsamic vinegar and oil dressing (so long as you don't have celiac or non celiac gluten sensitivity because balsamic has gluten in it).

Have you thought about boiling or poaching your eggs? Or frying instead of scrambling your eggs? (This uses less or no fat for cooking as you ease into this diet. Remember, you're getting some fat from the egg yolk.

Here's a few other suggestions...

For vegetables, I regularly steam mine, then add a tablespoon of a good quality, grass fed source of butter, or olive oil, perhaps with some herbs. I also enjoy pan frying vegetables in butter, but that might come later for you. Slightly carmelized, sliced brussell sprouts or cauliflower are wonderful cooked this way. I sometimes top vegetables with parmesan or cheddar cheese too.

Meats can be boiled, baked, or broiled instead of pan frying.

Hard cheeses and nuts are best eaten in 1 ounce portions. I eat a variety of both each day.

I like protein and fat to a point, but I don't do well unless I have at least one vegetable or greens with every meal. My favorite breakfast is a mix of mushrooms and spinach lightly steamed in water or cooked in butter with the addition of an egg, topped with a sprinkling of feta cheese. Lunch might be a slice of provolone cheese, 2 slices of ham, wrapped around a long slice of dill pickle with a steamed vegetable or salad. Dinner often is meat, poultry, or fish with vegetables. A favorite dinner is spaghetti squash topped with freshly made pesto topped with parmesan cheese, with a small side of additional protein.

When I started this diet, I pan fried almost everything in butter, ate snacks, primarily raw veggies with yogurt, 1 oz of nuts, or 1/2 an avocado, and ate one or more vegetables with every meal. I focused mostly on new ways to eat vegetables and greens. :)

I have no solution for feeling irritable until ketosis kicks in. I felt this way too. Snacking helped though because it reduced the hunger.

Oh, and giving up fruit and sugar was tough too. It helped to reframe how I eat now as "trading sweet for savory". Eating a small portion of 70% cocoa dark chocolate twice a day helped a lot too. I like the Lindt brand.
 
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Mrsmac247 said:
I didnt realise that coleslaw was on the menu, do i have to look for any particular kind?
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You need to check the label for the carb content, as they vary quite a bit. I use Tesco finest coleslaw because it's lower carb than most (2.3g per 100g), and it tastes good. It's relatively expensive for coleslaw, but still relatively inexpensive compared to a lot of other food.
 
Hi there @Winnie53, thank you for such an idepth answer. The robinsons i refer to is this http://www.tesco.com/groceries/product/details/?id=254854147 and is a dilute "fruit" squash with no added sugar.

When i went shopping, i picked up a small yogurt and some rasberries to give that a try, I love yoghurt but am accustomed to the fruit type so this will also be another challenge.

The thing is, I am not setting myself up to not like certin foods, but know from growing up that there are jsut some foods I cant stand, advocados being one of them, i do like nuts and I am guessing the wrong type like cahew and regular peanuts but i see no mention of them. I love mushrooms which i used with my breakfast and intend on having a salad as well as vegetables with my chicken this evening, i'm hoping that it will be ok.

I kind of feel as though I am self sabortaging in one breath as well as not actually eating foods i like. The problem and something thatcontributing to me getting here i believe was cake, take aways, buscuits etc and a part of my wonders if i wasnt to eat those foods if i would be ok and see a change in my BG. I dont yet have a monitor so cannt test for rice and pasta which is usually what we'd have with our meals that were not processed or take aways.

This life style is most definately a full 180 from anything that I have ever known and i sincerely take my hat off to those who have chosen this way and stuck to it.

I think I may have to find another alternative to cream in my tea as the thought of it makes me just not want it anymore and I do love a good cuppa

Anyhows, this is all new and I am trying to stay positive despite my posting may seem otherwise, it is just difficult when you go food shopping and the little ones want pineapple and i cant have any!
 
Mrsmac247 said:
Hi there @Winnie53
I think I may have to find another alternative to cream in my tea as the thought of it makes me just not want it anymore and I do love a good cuppa

Anyhows, this is all new and I am trying to stay positive despite my posting may seem otherwise, it is just difficult when you go food shopping and the little ones want pineapple and i cant have any!
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I think you're going to extremes - that may work for some, but many will fail with that type of approach. I still have milk in my tea, I just use less than before (less than half as much - the tea tastes no different). And a small amount of pineapple now and again isn't going to cause you any major problems.

But I'm afraid you *are* going to have to cut back severely on the rice, pasta, potatoes etc. Just cutting out cakes and biscuits is almost certainly not going to be enough (assuming you're a fairly standard T2).

Get a meter, though, asap. That's the only way to know for sure whether your diet is working, and find out what level of carbs you can tolerate.
 
When I first started LCHF I just ditched all my low fat foods for high fat ones .. And restricted my carbs to around the 30g .. It works and you must get your get your head around the fact that this eating plan is long term, so find ways to eat that you enjoy. Are you on any medication for your diabetes?

Edit to add .. Metforum can make you feel sick
 
AndyMc said:
You need to check the label for the carb content, as they vary quite a bit. I use Tesco finest coleslaw because it's lower carb than most (2.3g per 100g), and it tastes good. It's relatively expensive for coleslaw, but still relatively inexpensive compared to a lot of other food.
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Thank you so much for this, coleslaw is on the menu for tomorrow:)
 
Enclave said:
When I first started LCHF I just ditched all my low fat foods for high fat ones .. And restricted my carbs to around the 30g .. It works and you must get your get your head around the fact that this eating plan is long term, so find ways to eat that you enjoy. Are you on any medication for your diabetes?
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Yes, I have been prescribed metformin but haven't yet seen the nurse and that will be another 4 weeks away so without the help of this forum, i would even be a far as i am now!
 
Mrsmac247 said:
Yes, I have been prescribed metformin but haven't yet seen the nurse and that will be another 4 weeks away so without the help of this forum, i would even be a far as i am now!
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I was very ill taking the metformin .. Some people here are taking the slow release version to not be sick
The LCHF diet works for me and I now don't need the metformin.. Once you get a meter you can see what foods suit you
 
Mrsmac247 said:
Hi there @Winnie53, thank you for such an idepth answer. The robinsons i refer to is this http://www.tesco.com/groceries/product/details/?id=254854147 and is a dilute "fruit" squash with no added sugar.

When i went shopping, i picked up a small yogurt and some rasberries to give that a try, I love yoghurt but am accustomed to the fruit type so this will also be another challenge.

The thing is, I am not setting myself up to not like certin foods, but know from growing up that there are jsut some foods I cant stand, advocados being one of them, i do like nuts and I am guessing the wrong type like cahew and regular peanuts but i see no mention of them. I love mushrooms which i used with my breakfast and intend on having a salad as well as vegetables with my chicken this evening, i'm hoping that it will be ok.

I kind of feel as though I am self sabortaging in one breath as well as not actually eating foods i like. The problem and something thatcontributing to me getting here i believe was cake, take aways, buscuits etc and a part of my wonders if i wasnt to eat those foods if i would be ok and see a change in my BG. I dont yet have a monitor so cannt test for rice and pasta which is usually what we'd have with our meals that were not processed or take aways.

This life style is most definately a full 180 from anything that I have ever known and i sincerely take my hat off to those who have chosen this way and stuck to it.

I think I may have to find another alternative to cream in my tea as the thought of it makes me just not want it anymore and I do love a good cuppa

Anyhows, this is all new and I am trying to stay positive despite my posting may seem otherwise, it is just difficult when you go food shopping and the little ones want pineapple and i cant have any!
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Please please do think you have to put cream in your tea ... I just use regular milk ..not skimmed..
 
Mrsmac247 said:
Hi there @Winnie53, thank you for such an idepth answer. The robinsons i refer to is this http://www.tesco.com/groceries/product/details/?id=254854147 and is a dilute "fruit" squash with no added sugar.

When i went shopping, i picked up a small yogurt and some rasberries to give that a try, I love yoghurt but am accustomed to the fruit type so this will also be another challenge.

The thing is, I am not setting myself up to not like certin foods, but know from growing up that there are jsut some foods I cant stand, advocados being one of them, i do like nuts and I am guessing the wrong type like cahew and regular peanuts but i see no mention of them. I love mushrooms which i used with my breakfast and intend on having a salad as well as vegetables with my chicken this evening, i'm hoping that it will be ok.

I kind of feel as though I am self sabortaging in one breath as well as not actually eating foods i like. The problem and something thatcontributing to me getting here i believe was cake, take aways, buscuits etc and a part of my wonders if i wasnt to eat those foods if i would be ok and see a change in my BG. I dont yet have a monitor so cannt test for rice and pasta which is usually what we'd have with our meals that were not processed or take aways.

This life style is most definately a full 180 from anything that I have ever known and i sincerely take my hat off to those who have chosen this way and stuck to it.

I think I may have to find another alternative to cream in my tea as the thought of it makes me just not want it anymore and I do love a good cuppa

Anyhows, this is all new and I am trying to stay positive despite my posting may seem otherwise, it is just difficult when you go food shopping and the little ones want pineapple and i cant have any!
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You can still have cake and biscuits if you don't mind making them yourself. Replace wheat flour for ground almonds or coconut flour and use sweetener instead of sugar. Try this recipe to get you started: http://www.genaw.com/lowcarb/orange_sourcream_cakes.html They come out a bit like scones. They freeze well so you can take them out one at a time rather than be tempted to eat them all in one go! There are so many websites with LCHF recipes and lots of ideas on this forum if you search for recipes. I have discovered that cauliflower rice is amazing - it looks just like the carbs that are missing from your plate and so psychologically you don't feel like you are missing out. Odd but true! Also try a small amount of sweet potato either as mash or made into chips and see what effect it has on your BG. Do you have a meter and are you testing?
 
Mrsmac247 said:
Yes, I have been prescribed metformin but haven't yet seen the nurse and that will be another 4 weeks away so without the help of this forum, i would even be a far as i am now!
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When I started, I found the concept of eating lots of fat quite tricky to get my head around, so all I did to begin with was reduce my carb intake. I gave up sweet things (never really ate that many), but also bread, potatoes, rice and pasta and focused my meals on meat and salad or,vegetables, but I always dressed the salad, and perhaps had a knob of butter melted through cabbage, for example. Any diary or fat based foods were ful fat options, as opposed to low-fat.

Doing that, I wasn't hungry (think mounds of delicious vegetables), and I trimmed up very quickly. Do you have any trimming up to do? Dropping some weight really seems to have a positive impact for many people.

Once I was more used to making meals without root veg, rice of pasta, and I had got beyond the "want toast, NOW" moments, then I started to think more positively about adding a little more fat to the overall picture. I must say, I have never thought about my meals focusing on fat, but these days find myself looking forward to the crackling with my roast pork. It's no longer a guilty pleasure!

Take it steady, I think if you put too much initial focus on the high fat element, there is the potential to upset yourself a bit.

It is important though, not to be hungry. Mif you do find yourself getting hungry, fat is extremely filling, in smallish quantities, so a small chunk of cheese or a few nuts can come in very useful.

Good luck with it.
 
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