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<blockquote data-quote="Oldvatr" data-source="post: 1765246" data-attributes="member: 196898"><p>Your'e welcome. Yes LC diets are a Volte Face to the way we used to use diet, and it is alien at first. I spent a lot of time researching the theory behind metabolism and the endocrine system in my body, so I went gently at it at first until I understood how it all fitted together. The High Fat part of LCHF is only really needed when the bgls get low such that it becomes keto. It is possible to run just above that threshold, and still benefit, but real weight loss and removal of the midriff fat takes keto to shift it. I did that for a while, then I experimented further and developed my own variant that suits me (and my carbophile family) which is more relaxed than keto, and I have recovered some of my insulin control so I am able to eat a higher carb level than many who LCHF. </p><p></p><p>You may find the PIOPPI diet of interest. It is basically low carb but not keto and is healthy fat not high fat. My HbA1c last week was 42 so it is certainly maintaining me in the correct ballpark.</p><p></p><p>So I advise - cut out ready made meals and processed food if you can. Reduce starches such as rice, potatoes, cereals, bread monosodium glutamate (MSG) for a starter. then research and possibly consider Low Glycaenic Index foods since these slow down the sugars (example, sweet potatoes are often more benign than white pots same carb content similar calories, but much better for sugar control)</p><p></p><p>You mention hypo's. Yes these can happen as the sugars get lower, but the meds you are on are not noted for any hypo associations, so you need to be aware of the possibility, but as a T2D the effect of oral meds is self limiting in that they are only active for a short while then get excreted so the body normally recovers by itself. It is only really important if you drive or operate machinery. The Jardiance is, I believe self limiting anyway so it shuts itself off when bgl gets too low, </p><p></p><p>The main DCUK runs a hypo awareness online course on the main site which I did. On the day I finished it I had my first hypo, so I knew exactly what to do. Very useful. The DCUK LC training course is also a good introduction (no longer free sadly) but I found myself running ahead of it and losing interest.</p><p></p><p>Yes T1D and T2D tread different paths but there is much we can learn from each other and there are common topics that we share. My mum was a T1 since WWII when bgl meters were not around but glucose testing sticks were. She lived a very good life, but sadly had kidney failure. I remeber her steralising her kit, and munching dextrose tablets, but she never hypo'ed on my presence so her control was generally good seeing how much sugar we ate. I struggle keeping control with all the mod cons and access to info I have that she did not,</p><p></p><p>One last thing. The weight issue. IMHO that should be a secondary driver for the diet. If you get your bgl down and follow a sensible diet, the weight reduction should follow, but unfortunately the spare tyre and wattles will be the last to go. I was lucky in that I am TOFI so my midriff fat did go In 3 years I have lost 8 stone, and my non diabetic carb guzzler wife has lost 6 stone and we are not really pushing the limits of LC diet or keto. Good Luck</p></blockquote><p></p>
[QUOTE="Oldvatr, post: 1765246, member: 196898"] Your'e welcome. Yes LC diets are a Volte Face to the way we used to use diet, and it is alien at first. I spent a lot of time researching the theory behind metabolism and the endocrine system in my body, so I went gently at it at first until I understood how it all fitted together. The High Fat part of LCHF is only really needed when the bgls get low such that it becomes keto. It is possible to run just above that threshold, and still benefit, but real weight loss and removal of the midriff fat takes keto to shift it. I did that for a while, then I experimented further and developed my own variant that suits me (and my carbophile family) which is more relaxed than keto, and I have recovered some of my insulin control so I am able to eat a higher carb level than many who LCHF. You may find the PIOPPI diet of interest. It is basically low carb but not keto and is healthy fat not high fat. My HbA1c last week was 42 so it is certainly maintaining me in the correct ballpark. So I advise - cut out ready made meals and processed food if you can. Reduce starches such as rice, potatoes, cereals, bread monosodium glutamate (MSG) for a starter. then research and possibly consider Low Glycaenic Index foods since these slow down the sugars (example, sweet potatoes are often more benign than white pots same carb content similar calories, but much better for sugar control) You mention hypo's. Yes these can happen as the sugars get lower, but the meds you are on are not noted for any hypo associations, so you need to be aware of the possibility, but as a T2D the effect of oral meds is self limiting in that they are only active for a short while then get excreted so the body normally recovers by itself. It is only really important if you drive or operate machinery. The Jardiance is, I believe self limiting anyway so it shuts itself off when bgl gets too low, The main DCUK runs a hypo awareness online course on the main site which I did. On the day I finished it I had my first hypo, so I knew exactly what to do. Very useful. The DCUK LC training course is also a good introduction (no longer free sadly) but I found myself running ahead of it and losing interest. Yes T1D and T2D tread different paths but there is much we can learn from each other and there are common topics that we share. My mum was a T1 since WWII when bgl meters were not around but glucose testing sticks were. She lived a very good life, but sadly had kidney failure. I remeber her steralising her kit, and munching dextrose tablets, but she never hypo'ed on my presence so her control was generally good seeing how much sugar we ate. I struggle keeping control with all the mod cons and access to info I have that she did not, One last thing. The weight issue. IMHO that should be a secondary driver for the diet. If you get your bgl down and follow a sensible diet, the weight reduction should follow, but unfortunately the spare tyre and wattles will be the last to go. I was lucky in that I am TOFI so my midriff fat did go In 3 years I have lost 8 stone, and my non diabetic carb guzzler wife has lost 6 stone and we are not really pushing the limits of LC diet or keto. Good Luck [/QUOTE]
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