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<blockquote data-quote="RoseRodent" data-source="post: 153578" data-attributes="member: 28905"><p>We rarely hear about the genetic element, why is type 2 so staggeringly much higher in Germany than many parts of Europe? I feel that type 2 is something you are born with a predisposition to have, and it will get you earlier or later depending on other various factors, but it will get you. Some people can eat a lot and be still genuinely gut-wrenchingly, achingly hungry. Others find some foods make them feel really hypo, and they don't stop feeling faint until they have consumed a bunch of sugar. I'd love to get a blood insulin test not just a blood glucose, because it's quite possible to have high insulin (thus your body sending out the hypo alert saying eat, eat, eat) and normal or high glucose also. This metabolic dysfunction is the precursor to type 2, but is just deemed to be greedy fat person can't stop stuffing her face. If I don't eat sweets I can't stand up! And no, the effect doesn't wear off if I eat a glorious organic diet for months, there is no cold turkey then it's all rosy again, I just have to stay in bed till I start eating again. I am a type 2 in the making and I don't think I can fix that, I just wait and see when it comes for me. </p><p></p><p>But back to where I started, factors outside our control are also part of this rise, and of course the rise in testing is responsible for much of the rise. Pre-NHS people were not tested for diabetes, they died often before it became an issue, they got infected feet and gangrene and amputations before ever finding out they were diabetic. Of course we have more diagnosed diabetes now if we go out there <u>looking</u> for diabetes! </p><p></p><p>I wonder whether perhaps we should just stop demonising fat people and fatness rather than people feel they are tarred with the fat brush to have type 2? I have been fat and fit and thin and unhealthy. I passed an army combat fitness test when I was 12 stone, but the doctors were on at me to get skinnier. When I was 7 stone with an eating disorder did anyone ever weigh me and say gosh you are terribly underweight? No, but a couple of pounds over and you are hit with the big diet stick. A "healthy diet"? Most of the things on that list would kill me, I have allergies and severe bowel problems. No diet can make me healthy unless it can perform corrective surgery while passing through. I can lose weight by eating the same amount of chocolate but cutting out food, which I have done in the past when I had to get thin for some treatment. Not healthy, you understand, just thin. Apparently I was too fat for the drugs to work. The clinic said they were going to start to "forget" to weigh me as I was too thin and still over the BMI, and the drugs worked straight out at the lowest doses. </p><p></p><p>I can't recall the rules of all the different websites I go to about posting external links but try searching "ilustrated BMI" or "BMI project" and "BMI slideshow" for some illuminating stuff about what "obesity" looks like.</p></blockquote><p></p>
[QUOTE="RoseRodent, post: 153578, member: 28905"] We rarely hear about the genetic element, why is type 2 so staggeringly much higher in Germany than many parts of Europe? I feel that type 2 is something you are born with a predisposition to have, and it will get you earlier or later depending on other various factors, but it will get you. Some people can eat a lot and be still genuinely gut-wrenchingly, achingly hungry. Others find some foods make them feel really hypo, and they don't stop feeling faint until they have consumed a bunch of sugar. I'd love to get a blood insulin test not just a blood glucose, because it's quite possible to have high insulin (thus your body sending out the hypo alert saying eat, eat, eat) and normal or high glucose also. This metabolic dysfunction is the precursor to type 2, but is just deemed to be greedy fat person can't stop stuffing her face. If I don't eat sweets I can't stand up! And no, the effect doesn't wear off if I eat a glorious organic diet for months, there is no cold turkey then it's all rosy again, I just have to stay in bed till I start eating again. I am a type 2 in the making and I don't think I can fix that, I just wait and see when it comes for me. But back to where I started, factors outside our control are also part of this rise, and of course the rise in testing is responsible for much of the rise. Pre-NHS people were not tested for diabetes, they died often before it became an issue, they got infected feet and gangrene and amputations before ever finding out they were diabetic. Of course we have more diagnosed diabetes now if we go out there [u]looking[/u] for diabetes! I wonder whether perhaps we should just stop demonising fat people and fatness rather than people feel they are tarred with the fat brush to have type 2? I have been fat and fit and thin and unhealthy. I passed an army combat fitness test when I was 12 stone, but the doctors were on at me to get skinnier. When I was 7 stone with an eating disorder did anyone ever weigh me and say gosh you are terribly underweight? No, but a couple of pounds over and you are hit with the big diet stick. A "healthy diet"? Most of the things on that list would kill me, I have allergies and severe bowel problems. No diet can make me healthy unless it can perform corrective surgery while passing through. I can lose weight by eating the same amount of chocolate but cutting out food, which I have done in the past when I had to get thin for some treatment. Not healthy, you understand, just thin. Apparently I was too fat for the drugs to work. The clinic said they were going to start to "forget" to weigh me as I was too thin and still over the BMI, and the drugs worked straight out at the lowest doses. I can't recall the rules of all the different websites I go to about posting external links but try searching "ilustrated BMI" or "BMI project" and "BMI slideshow" for some illuminating stuff about what "obesity" looks like. [/QUOTE]
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