Type 2 on insulin help needed

Brunneria said:

@luna50

If you are going to make wild statements (for instance claiming that a low carb way of eating is starvation and unhealthy), then please provide reputable scientific references to support your claims.

If you are unable to provide these reputable scientific references, then do not make such claims. If you continue to do so, your posts will be deleted for unsubstantiated scaremongering.

You may be interested in furthering your knowledge on the subject, to get a better understanding of why so many members of this forum flourish on the way of eating you think is ‘starvation’. I suggest the Voleck and Phinney book The Art And Science Of Low Carbohydrate Living to start you off. Jason Fung’s works (books and online articles, lectures and blog) will also give you a better foundation.

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DCUKMod said:

Hello there - could you post a link to your statements about calories per kilo, please? I weight 48.5kg (based my calculation on 49 for ease), but eat about 2500 calories a day to mark time, regarding my weight, so 24cal per kilo is way off for me. I am also reading more and more that the calories in/calories out hypothesis is flawed. If you would like to read more of the, Zoe Harcombe has written about it quite extensively.

My Low Carb diet is certainly not a starvation diet. For a female of 160cm ans 48.5 kg, eating 2500 calories a day on last count up, it would be hard to categorise that as starvation. I don't chase nutritional ketosis, but I daresay I do have blood ketones from time to time, but those are from nutrritional ketosis, certainly not from ketoacidosis, which is a totally diffeent and very dangerous condition. Yes, I am very slim, but I am not starving, by any stretch of the imagination.

Regarding lipids, have you done any reading of Professor Ken Sikaris's work at all, or viewed any of his presentations on YouTube? I find his way of presenting and explaining lipids and so on to be very good. I learned a great deal from him.

From a personal perspective, I am in a happy position of not having to take exogenous insulin, or any diabetes medications for that matter, but from my reading, I understand that whilst it can be a very successful treatment for T2d, for those with insulin resistance (sadly very common in T2), it can lead to quite high doses and sometimes weight gain.

I'm pleased you have founf a way to keep your own condition in a place you favour, but as you can tell from my responses, I'm not with you on the approach, or even on some of your personal understanding. My understanding, in a few areas, is quite, quite different.

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luna50 said:

DCUKMOD. Thank you for your comment

The documentation for my statement You can find it in the scientifically literature:

“PRINCIPLES OF MEDICAL BIOCHEMISTRY” on page nr.: 562!

By: Gerhard Meisenberg and William H. Simmons, 2nd. Edition

I know, especially You “Moderators” are very sensitive if someone talk against LC-diet.

You recommend this diet to every person who has DM T2. It is wrong.

I wrote where this diet is OK.

It is by PREDIABETES and on the beginning of DM T2.

The persons bodies are very little insulin resistant and the body can manage this unnecessarily starvation.

The people who are serious affected by DM T2 it is the way to suicide.

You can like my statement or not, but it is truth.

I do not need a better foundation for LC diet, because my knowledge is from science and not from particular advertising commercial interest.

Have a nice day and stay in live and STOP to THREATEN me without reason.

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luna50 said:

There was an old person of Dean,
Who dined on one pea, and one bean;
For he said, 'More than that,
Would make me too fat,'
That cautious old person of Dean.

This Forum is dominated with postulations for curative treatment of Diabetes Type 2 by “Low carbo method”. For that I can say: Latin “ Quot homines tot sententiae”

Diabetes T2 is not represented by every person on the same way.

LC method is effective by the persons on prediabetic and the persons on the beginning for DM T2.

The treatment for these persons is with diet, exercise, Metformin and Sulphonylureas drugs.

The DM T2 treatment with Insulin and metformin can be difficult to control it effective.

The problem is the missing knowledge by the persons who have DM T2 and the useless explanation from the medical staff. NO one of this medical person explain exactly how to control the illness. All explanations are very superficially. Most people think if they take insulin, then all problems with DM T2 are away.

The intake of exogen insulin depend of the grade of insulin resistance.

I can tell You about my way how I control my DM T2.

I have very high insulin resistance. I take on the morning 15 IE- Insulin Tresiba (degludec), the best insulin on the marked, and 4 IE – insulin Novo Rapid and 1.5 g Metformin. My BG on the morning is from 4.0 to 5.0 mmol/L.

On the morning I eat 2 egg and one bread with butter and honey. (Ordinary office job)

On 12.00 my BG is 4.00 mmol/l and I eat a moderate meal (I eat what I like to eat, no diet meals and no LC- meals). After 1.5 hour I measure my BG. Normally the BG is about 10 mmol/l. After that I take my Electrical Bicycle and drive about 10 to 15 kilometers. (You can RUN if you prefer that) All that take about 0.5 hour. My BG after that is only 4.5 mmol/l. By 18.00 hour I eat normal meal and do not make exercise. On the morning my BG is 4.5 – 5.0 mmol/l.

If You control your BG only with insulin, without exercise, then you must take more insulin and the carbs will not be catabolized but they will be deposit in your adipose tissues. It will be difficult to control your weight.

If You are an obese person, then You can use Insulin Tresiba (degludec) mixed with Victoza. You will have 100% positive results for los of weight. Your “doctor” must be involved in that.

For all this the start point is to find what is your BMR (Basal Metabolic Rate).

You body use 24 Cal / kg weight and if you like to have a weight of 60 Kg, then you can multiplicate 24 x 60 = 1440 Cal / day. The composition of This daily energy of 1440 Cal is: 50% must be from carbs, 30 % from fat ad 20 % from protein.

The carbs and the proteins have 4 Cal / gram and the fat has 9 Cal/gram.

You MUST eat carbs because your body need the energy molecule ATP (Adenosine Triphosphate).

This energy molecules are used by every biochemical process in your body.

You can read on the English Wikipedia about ATP and Metformin. It is very important to understand how this molecule works in your body.

Ask me for all what you wish and you will get always a true answer.

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