Type 2: Wish I weren't diabetic...

GeorgiyH

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Hi all,
I am George, 44, from New Zealand. I was diagnosed with type 2 late last year after going to the doctor as my vision suddenly started to 'wobble' one afternoon. Blood tests showed I was diabetic and I was also diagnosed with hypertension.
I am 168cm tall and weigh 69 kg, so don't need to lose much weight perhaps. I have tried to make changes to a low carb diet as best I can but loathe red meat so don't have it at all.
I started off on metformin twice a day (500mg each time) but it wasn't having much effect, so it was increased to 3 times a day. Now it has been increased again to 4 pills a day. I haven't really noticed much change in blood sugar levels though. Usually when I wake up, it is close to 8mmol/L. On average this week it has been 7.6 before meals, 7.0 after and 7.7 at bedtime. Strangely enough, this evening I had my lowest measurement yet 2 hours after eating, it was 4.9 and I had had an unhealthy meal of homemade fish and chips!
I am just sick and tired of this whole business and wish I could return to 'normal'. Sorry for the rant - hate the idea that I will be on pills for the rest of my life.
 
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Hi @GeorgiyH and welcome to the forum. It is a shock when you get diagnosed as diabetic and takes a bit of time to come to terms with it. I guess we all wish we could return to 'normal', bu we are where we are.
Are you sure you are Type 2? If you are you will see from people's stories on here that you can lower your bs levels and return to normal non-diabetic levels. I have done that by adopting a Low Carbohydrate High Fat (LCHF) approach to eating, which means eating more 'healthy'fats like dairy, avocadoes, oily fish and nuts (rather than red meat).
Have a read round the threads to see how that works and ask any questions you want to, the people on here are friendly and supportive.

Edit: Coincidentally last night I had Battered Cod and home made oven chips, followed by trifle, and my reading was 4.6 two hours later.
 

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Thanks Prem. Yes, as far as I know I am type 2 - that is the doctor's diagnosis anyway. Am quite partial to cashew nuts so have been having them for lunch at school with a low-carb protein bar, an egg or tinned tuna and a piece of stone fruit like a plum or nectarine.
 
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@GeorgiyH Cashew nuts are ok, but fruit especially tropical fruits are high in sugar so not good for diabetics. Berries are reportedly ok.
 

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A pity about fruit as I love fruit, though good to know that berries are OK. Very, very expensive here though.
 

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Sorry to read that you're struggling George.. I too am on Metformin. 4 tablets a day at present though I needed insulin to get me to low enough levels for Metformin to be of any use. I understand that Metformin can take a while to show results.. for some it just does not suit. I too don't eat much red meat, preferring fish and chicken. Check out the site for LCHF (low carb high fat) ideas. They could help you. It is possible to reduce your glucose levels to a point where you would not need medication.. this would take time and lots of commitment. There is lots of info on how to do it on this site. Hope this helps in some way.. :)
 

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@GeorgiyH I didn't eat much fruit even before I was diagnosed except for the occasional apple or banana, But I do like tropical fruits especially mango, papaya and melon and would have those for breakfast on holiday. But I found they raised by bs levels so won't be eating them again.
 
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Hi all,
I am George, 44, from New Zealand. I was diagnosed with type 2 late last year after going to the doctor as my vision suddenly started to 'wobble' one afternoon. Blood tests showed I was diabetic and I was also diagnosed with hypertension.
I am 168cm tall and weigh 69 kg, so don't need to lose much weight perhaps. I have tried to make changes to a low carb diet as best I can but loathe red meat so don't have it at all.
I started off on metformin twice a day (500mg each time) but it wasn't having much effect, so it was increased to 3 times a day. Now it has been increased again to 4 pills a day. I haven't really noticed much change in blood sugar levels though. Usually when I wake up, it is close to 8mmol/L. On average this week it has been 7.6 before meals, 7.0 after and 7.7 at bedtime. Strangely enough, this evening I had my lowest measurement yet 2 hours after eating, it was 4.9 and I had had an unhealthy meal of homemade fish and chips!
I am just sick and tired of this whole business and wish I could return to 'normal'. Sorry for the rant - hate the idea that I will be on pills for the rest of my life.

welcome here GeorgiyH :)

well who do not hate the diabetes..?

I understand also the hate of the pill, but have had to eat pills for many years already because of another not wanted cronic illness...
No you probably do not need to loose a lot, but what you can loose of visceral fat would be good for you...I think the best one can do is to get all ones muscles into excellent shape and learn to love doing fitness... when the muscles get in optimal shape they can again store some of the glucose and this can help up til 30% with the insuline resistance... and the other leg to stand on is to really take food seriously and only cheat a few times a month and preferably not cheat at all..
go very low carb and only eat proteins like 0.8 grams pro kg body weight, unless if one do body-building then some need up till 1.5 grams of protein pro kg bodyweight ..men the most...

you can learn really a lot in this forum it is so motivating to be here, and you can learn to cook treats that are so wonderfull that they can take the place of your old favorite foods too..
so don´t dispair and stay here and get support and some good talks of all what worries...

if you go really low carb your numbers will soon be around what non diabetics are and that´ll stop the progress of adding diseases.. so do look into the low carb eating style... where bacon and eggs for breakfast are a good choice...

I´ll tag @daisy1 so you´ll get the valuable information all new persons get here :)
 

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:hungover: mango is really bad for diabetes...
Especially the peeled sliced shrink wrapped mango and other fruit sold in Thailand. It is dipped in sugar solution to make it sweeter and preserve it so it is even higher in sugar.
 
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It is a real pity about mango. How about peaches, another favourite.
I don't like peaches but I would think they aren't good either. To know how they effect you, you should test before eating one then one hour later and again after 90 minutes to two hours.
 
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I suspect it may be your fruit consumption that is causing your problems. Fructose from fruits is one of the worst sugars as it can cause a fatty liver, which leads to insulin resistance. Try to stick to the less sweet fruits such as strawberries, raspberries and other berries. It is best not to eat them as snacks but as part of a meal with either a full fat yogurt or double cream, and in fairly small portions. A small apple may also be OK.

This may help you find suitable foods
https://www.dietdoctor.com/low-carb/60-seconds
 

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A pity about fruit as I love fruit, though good to know that berries are OK. Very, very expensive here though.
Some people are able to eat some fruits I eat a clementine or an apple sometimes as well as berries I believe in the benefit of fruit others may not agree but it is all about personal choice
 
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@GeorgiyH

Hello George and welcome to the Forum :) To help you, here is the Basic Information we give to new Members and I hope you will find it useful. Ask more questions when you need to and someone will be able to help.


BASIC INFORMATION FOR NEWLY DIAGNOSED DIABETICS

Diabetes is the general term to describe people who have blood that is sweeter than normal. A number of different types of diabetes exist.

A diagnosis of diabetes tends to be a big shock for most of us. It’s far from the end of the world though and on this forum you'll find well over 147,000 people who are demonstrating this.

On the forum we have found that with the number of new people being diagnosed with diabetes each day, sometimes the NHS is not being able to give all the advice it would perhaps like to deliver - particularly with regards to people with type 2 diabetes.

The role of carbohydrate

Carbohydrates are a factor in diabetes because they ultimately break down into sugar (glucose) within our blood. We then need enough insulin to either convert the blood sugar into energy for our body, or to store the blood sugar as body fat.

If the amount of carbohydrate we take in is more than our body’s own (or injected) insulin can cope with, then our blood sugar will rise.

The bad news

Research indicates that raised blood sugar levels over a period of years can lead to organ damage, commonly referred to as diabetic complications.

The good news

People on the forum here have shown that there is plenty of opportunity to keep blood sugar levels from going too high. It’s a daily task but it’s within our reach and it’s well worth the effort.

Controlling your carbs

The info below is primarily aimed at people with type 2 diabetes, however, it may also be of benefit for other types of diabetes as well.

There are two approaches to controlling your carbs:
  • Reduce your carbohydrate intake
  • Choose ‘better’ carbohydrates
Reduce your carbohydrates

A large number of people on this forum have chosen to reduce the amount of carbohydrates they eat as they have found this to be an effective way of improving (lowering) their blood sugar levels.

The carbohydrates which tend to have the most pronounced effect on blood sugar levels tend to be starchy carbohydrates such as rice, pasta, bread, potatoes and similar root vegetables, flour based products (pastry, cakes, biscuits, battered food etc) and certain fruits.

Choosing better carbohydrates

The low glycaemic index diet is often favoured by healthcare professionals but some people with diabetes find that low GI does not help their blood sugar enough and may wish to cut out these foods altogether.

Read more on carbohydrates and diabetes.

Over 145,000 people have taken part in the Low Carb Program - a free 10 week structured education course that is helping people lose weight and reduce medication dependency by explaining the science behind carbs, insulin and GI.

Eating what works for you

Different people respond differently to different types of food. What works for one person may not work so well for another. The best way to see which foods are working for you is to test your blood sugar with a glucose meter.

To be able to see what effect a particular type of food or meal has on your blood sugar is to do a test before the meal and then test after the meal. A test 2 hours after the meal gives a good idea of how your body has reacted to the meal.

The blood sugar ranges recommended by NICE are as follows:

Blood glucose ranges for type 2 diabetes
  • Before meals: 4 to 7 mmol/l
  • 2 hours after meals: under 8.5 mmol/l
Blood glucose ranges for type 1 diabetes (adults)
  • Before meals: 4 to 7 mmol/l
  • 2 hours after meals: under 9 mmol/l
Blood glucose ranges for type 1 diabetes (children)
  • Before meals: 4 to 8 mmol/l
  • 2 hours after meals: under 10 mmol/l
However, those that are able to, may wish to keep blood sugar levels below the NICE after meal targets.

Access to blood glucose test strips

The NICE guidelines suggest that people newly diagnosed with type 2 diabetes should be offered:

  • structured education to every person and/or their carer at and around the time of diagnosis, with annual reinforcement and review
  • self-monitoring of plasma glucose to a person newly diagnosed with type 2 diabetes only as an integral part of his or her self-management education

Therefore both structured education and self-monitoring of blood glucose should be offered to people with type 2 diabetes. Read more on getting access to blood glucose testing supplies.

You may also be interested to read questions to ask at a diabetic clinic.

Note: This post has been edited from Sue/Ken's post to include up to date information.

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