Warwick Uni: Diabetics urged to steer clear of high fat diet

Re: Warwick Uni: Diabetics urged to steer clear of high fat

Typical poor research I'd say. Your point is right - those ratios represent about 90% fat! Who recommends that? No-one here that i know of. Perhaps they don't know that by reducing carbs you don't have to eat a kilo of lard a day. And 5 grams of carbs in 80 odd grams total? And one meal? I've not read the article but I take your word on the conclusions being based on the above, which sounds crazy to me.

Re: Warwick Uni: Diabetics urged to steer clear of high fat

I'm not sure how a single high fat meal constitues a "high fat" diet.

Volek and Phinney have demonstrated (and I think that it's widely accepted) that you need at least 2-3 weeks to adapt to low-carbohydrate (high-fat) diet. The subjects had with IGT and T2 diabetes had relatively high HbA1cs (5.9% and 7.5%), which suggest that few, if any of them, were adapted to low-carb diet.

If the study were conducted over a longer period, to take into account the keto-adaption phase, then the results might be relevant. All the that they are showing at the moment is that the rapid transition between a regular high-carb diet and an (almost zero) low-carb diet puts your body under stress. Anyone who has ever tried it, knows that this is true anyway.

Re: Warwick Uni: Diabetics urged to steer clear of high fat

I'd be interested in hearing Phoenix's take on it (as ever), but as far as I know, the problem with endotoxins is that they activate inflammation (a potential underlying cause of insulin insensitivity and a host of other nasty things).

That would seem to contradict what has been observed in longer studies of carbohydrate restriction (a 12 week study again from Volek's lab, but no-one else seems to be that interested in doing the work):
http://www.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/pubmed/1804 ... d/18046594

Comparison of low fat and low carbohydrate diets on circulating fatty acid composition and markers of inflammation said:

In summary, a very low carbohydrate diet resulted in profound alterations in fatty acid composition and reduced inflammation compared to a low fat diet.

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As you say alaska, the problem isn't with the sience but with the sensationalist headlines.

Re: Warwick Uni: Diabetics urged to steer clear of high fat

This puts the study into the context of other studies.
(leave you to make deductions)
http://diabetescenter.blogspot.fr/2012/ ... teria.html
I know of one T2 who regularly eats a 75% fat 20% protein diet but I wouldn't think even that was that common

Re: Warwick Uni: Diabetics urged to steer clear of high fat

phoenix said:

This puts the study into the context of other studies.
(leave you to make deductions)
http://diabetescenter.blogspot.fr/2012/ ... teria.html
I know of one T2 who regularly eats a 75% fat 20% protein diet but I wouldn't think even that was that common

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On a 30g Carbohydrate per day diet, then about 40 to 70% of your energy needs to come from fat (if you stick to the RDA of protein (10% to 35% of your kcal).

If you're only eating 5g of carb per meal (as per the study) then that could be as high as 80%.

It is a bit fat heavy, but (by doing the maths) I must be eating at least 200g of fat per day on my diet so 75g for a single meal doesn't sound completely unreasonable.

Re: Warwick Uni: Diabetics urged to steer clear of high fat

I said it wasn't that common :lol:

Re: Warwick Uni: Diabetics urged to steer clear of high fat

phoenix said:

I said it wasn't that common :lol:

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Nice link btw Phoenix. Thanks!