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<blockquote data-quote="phoenix" data-source="post: 346840" data-attributes="member: 12578"><p><strong>Re: WE HAVE THE RIGHT TO HAVE NORMAL BLOOD SUAGR LEVELS</strong></p><p></p><p>Unfortunately this thread seems to have become a mixture</p><p>It's (I thought) about the 'right' to have normal blood glucose in T1.</p><p>This is a totally different ball game to people who are using diet and exercise or metformin alone. Hana, just like your husband, we have to take at least insulin.</p><p>Look at the DCCT graphs provided earlier. </p><p>Other evidence is scarce. We know that long term survivors with no complications show 'survivors with no complications having Hba1cs in the 7s (though quite possibly higher earlier in their history) but we also know of people with lower levels who do develop complications. (there is the Joslin study and smaller ones from the UK and France)We don't know why. </p><p>I'd love to know what is protective and so do the researchers which is why they are trying to find out.</p><p> I don't quite have Dr Bernstein's 'normal' glucose, though just before I started using a pump (another Bernstein no, no, he doesn't approve of pumps) I was diagnosed with background retinopathy. MY levels were at his approved levels.</p><p> I realised(or was convinced) that I was losing hypo awareness (and yes I functioned well at low levels) Since I deliberately raised my levels the background retinopathy hasn't gone away.</p><p> My HbA1c has been about 5.7-8 for the last 4 years .Maybe it's the something else (genes) but just maybe my problem was caused by trying to get too low a glucose level .At an Hba1c of 4.9 my average glucose levels were 5.2mmol/l It is in my opinion that if you are insulin deficient that to get such a low level then there will inevitably be a number of low blood glucose levels.</p><p>I'm still told I'm too low but at the moment I am able to recognise my hypos and accept the inconvenience which can occur when I'm exercising,(I'm not so concerned about performance as I might be if I were younger) </p><p>So my glucose levels are not Bernstein 'normal' but aren't high. If I begin to loose hypo awareness at this level then I would make efforts to raise them again.</p><p>Lastly lower carbs do not for me necessarily result in proportionally lower insulin to achieve the same results.</p><p> now which I didn't when I had lower levels.</p><p></p><p> ]Hana (and I think this is off topic so I shall make it tiny print)</p><p><span style="font-size: 9px"><em>Evidence:</em></span></p><p><span style="font-size: 9px"><em></em></span></p><p><span style="font-size: 9px"><em>Not sure where A keys comes in but heres one for you Hana</em></span></p><p><span style="font-size: 9px"><em>The original paper (nothing to do with the seven countries study) that contains the famous graph.</em></span></p><p><span style="font-size: 9px"><em><a href="http://www.epi.umn.edu/cvdepi/pdfs/Keys,%20Atherosclerosis,%20A%20Problem%20in%20Newer%20Public%20Health.pdf" target="_blank">http://www.epi.umn.edu/cvdepi/pdfs/Keys ... Health.pdf</a> </em></span></p><p><span style="font-size: 9px"><em>You can check out the actual correlations for the 22 countries here:</em></span></p><p><span style="font-size: 9px"><em><a href="http://rawfoodsos.com/2011/12/22/the-truth-about-ancel-keys-weve-all-got-it-wrong/" target="_blank">http://rawfoodsos.com/2011/12/22/the-tr ... -it-wrong/</a></em></span></p><p><span style="font-size: 9px"><em>or maybe check out some of Keys actual papers.</em></span></p><p><span style="font-size: 9px"><em>here's one that might be interesting</em></span></p><p><span style="font-size: 9px"><em>Bias and misrepresentation revisited: "perspective" on saturated fat</em></span></p><p><span style="font-size: 9px"><em><a href="http://www.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/pubmed/4591426" target="_blank">http://www.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/pubmed/4591426</a></em></span></p><p><span style="font-size: 9px"><em>You might also look up some of Keys laboratory experiments, his clinical trials as well as the data from the Seven countries study.</em></span></p><p><span style="font-size: 9px"><em>(and note what Keys advocated (not SAD, more Med) and how he refined (changed ) his hypothesis over the years.</em></span></p><p><span style="font-size: 9px"><em></em></span></p><p><span style="font-size: 9px"><em>Then look for the evidence from Bernstein.</em></span></p><p><span style="font-size: 9px"><em>There are a few papers on the diabetic foot but otherwise all his contributions seem to be comment on other articles. Where is the data?</em></span></p></blockquote><p></p>
[QUOTE="phoenix, post: 346840, member: 12578"] [b]Re: WE HAVE THE RIGHT TO HAVE NORMAL BLOOD SUAGR LEVELS[/b] Unfortunately this thread seems to have become a mixture It's (I thought) about the 'right' to have normal blood glucose in T1. This is a totally different ball game to people who are using diet and exercise or metformin alone. Hana, just like your husband, we have to take at least insulin. Look at the DCCT graphs provided earlier. Other evidence is scarce. We know that long term survivors with no complications show 'survivors with no complications having Hba1cs in the 7s (though quite possibly higher earlier in their history) but we also know of people with lower levels who do develop complications. (there is the Joslin study and smaller ones from the UK and France)We don't know why. I'd love to know what is protective and so do the researchers which is why they are trying to find out. I don't quite have Dr Bernstein's 'normal' glucose, though just before I started using a pump (another Bernstein no, no, he doesn't approve of pumps) I was diagnosed with background retinopathy. MY levels were at his approved levels. I realised(or was convinced) that I was losing hypo awareness (and yes I functioned well at low levels) Since I deliberately raised my levels the background retinopathy hasn't gone away. My HbA1c has been about 5.7-8 for the last 4 years .Maybe it's the something else (genes) but just maybe my problem was caused by trying to get too low a glucose level .At an Hba1c of 4.9 my average glucose levels were 5.2mmol/l It is in my opinion that if you are insulin deficient that to get such a low level then there will inevitably be a number of low blood glucose levels. I'm still told I'm too low but at the moment I am able to recognise my hypos and accept the inconvenience which can occur when I'm exercising,(I'm not so concerned about performance as I might be if I were younger) So my glucose levels are not Bernstein 'normal' but aren't high. If I begin to loose hypo awareness at this level then I would make efforts to raise them again. Lastly lower carbs do not for me necessarily result in proportionally lower insulin to achieve the same results. now which I didn't when I had lower levels. ]Hana (and I think this is off topic so I shall make it tiny print) [size=1][i]Evidence: Not sure where A keys comes in but heres one for you Hana The original paper (nothing to do with the seven countries study) that contains the famous graph. [url=http://www.epi.umn.edu/cvdepi/pdfs/Keys,%20Atherosclerosis,%20A%20Problem%20in%20Newer%20Public%20Health.pdf]http://www.epi.umn.edu/cvdepi/pdfs/Keys ... Health.pdf[/url] You can check out the actual correlations for the 22 countries here: [url=http://rawfoodsos.com/2011/12/22/the-truth-about-ancel-keys-weve-all-got-it-wrong/]http://rawfoodsos.com/2011/12/22/the-tr ... -it-wrong/[/url] or maybe check out some of Keys actual papers. here's one that might be interesting Bias and misrepresentation revisited: "perspective" on saturated fat [url=http://www.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/pubmed/4591426]http://www.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/pubmed/4591426[/url] You might also look up some of Keys laboratory experiments, his clinical trials as well as the data from the Seven countries study. (and note what Keys advocated (not SAD, more Med) and how he refined (changed ) his hypothesis over the years. Then look for the evidence from Bernstein. There are a few papers on the diabetic foot but otherwise all his contributions seem to be comment on other articles. Where is the data?[/i][/size] [/QUOTE]
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