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<blockquote data-quote="cugila" data-source="post: 114479" data-attributes="member: 15325"><p><strong>qrp stated:</strong></p><p>Cugila, your replies on this topic leave me wondering. First, the 4-6mmol range, which you say is not very precise. On the contrary, it's very precise and means what it says ie fasting BG is to be within those limits. </p><p></p><p><span style="color: #0000FF">Precise means exact.....how can a range be exact ? A range means the limits between which something varies. Such as between 4 - 7 mmol/l. Not exact or precise at all.</span></p><p><span style="color: #0000FF">To be exact you would have to say something like 6.5 mmol.l. Now that's exact.</span> </p><p></p><p>Similarly for the meal plus 2 hrs level (9mmol according to DiabetesUK cf Balance Issue 233). What's illogical about wanting to measure those three values accurately?</p><p></p><p><span style="color: #0000FF">Ah, good old Diabetes UK, actually that information is from NICE not DUK, NICE set the levels, for a T1 9 mmol/l, for a T2 8.5 mmol/l. There's nothing illogical about measuring values on your meter, it's totally illogical to get worked up because the meter might be a point out. Surely as a T1 you have good awareness and know if your Bg levels are up or down ? I certainly do. I know which mood I am in and how to deal with it.</span></p><p></p><p>I see where you're coming from as you have made it very plain. You personally find it 'too stressful' to 'fret' about reading from day to day.</p><p></p><p><span style="color: #0000FF">You do ? I don't personally find it stressful at all about readings from day to day. I test something like 10 times a day at the moment.What that means is if the reading on my meter says 6 then I take it to be 6, not +-20% ! The people who do join here need to understand that meters are a guide not precision instruments which will give them as accurately as they can some numbers which are again a guide to their blood glucose levels. The only 'accurate' reading +- variables comes from a Laboratory. </span></p><p></p><p>Don't do a DAFNE course, then, as they want you to record readings throughout the day and review them to get carb counts and boluses right.</p><p></p><p><span style="color: #0000FF">Why on earth would a mere Type 2 like me want to attend a DAFNE course ?</span></p><p></p><p>You give a pretty good idea of your philosophy and modus operandi. It's not one I'd recommend to a newbie Type 1 for whom the advice from clinics, consultants and even these forums is to use the meter to guide you on what to eat, how much insulin to take etc etc.</p><p></p><p><span style="color: #0000FF">Really ! Do tell. Have you read any of my posts welcoming both T1's and T2's etc to this forum ? You might get a surprise when you see the advice I dish out. It looks pretty much the same as what you just posted above .......</span></p><p></p><p>It's a numbers-driven game if you want a decent HbA1c and good control of spikes. Of course, a Type 2 can rely on Phase 2 response to return BG to 'within range'. A type 1 has more to do in that regard. </p><p></p><p><span style="color: #0000FF">I don't accept that, there are many T2's who struggle to get the numbers back down as their responses are not working properly any more, the Beta cells may be shot or have just packed in, hence they end up on Insulin. So it's not specific to T1's.</span></p><p></p><p>Finally, back to meters. How can better meter accuracy be anything other than a worthwhile advance for all those, Type 1s especially, who do want to take the trouble to improve their control</p><p></p><p><span style="color: #0000FF">I've always said that better meter accuracy is something we could do with. Not an issue. What's the pre-occupation with T1's and meters. There are many of us T2's who are on hypo inducing drugs who also need tight control of their Bg levels. I'm one of them, I want my levels to be as good as they can, same as anybody else T1 or T2, whatever. You seem to be implying that T2's don't want to take the trouble to improve their control....I do hope I have got that one wrong ! </span></p><p></p><p>Your pooh-poohing of the accuracy argument and closing words eg 'paranoic', 'more important things in life' etc merely indicate your personal somewhat acerbic view of this issue. "I'm with Dave, too", you said. I don't think so. Not in spirit anyway. qrp</p><p></p><p><span style="color: #0000FF">Actually I said paranoid. Yes, there are more important things in life. So, why do you descend to personal comments when I have made none about you or anyone else for that matter. Surely we are all entitled to our own personal opinions without being branded sharp and direct......I agree with the direct. Why shouldn't I be ? Surely this is a discussion board, a conversation. If you don't like what somebody says then you move on, forget about it. You don't resort to insults ! </span></p><p><span style="color: #0000FF"></span></p><p><span style="color: #0000FF">I am with Dave ,,,,I would like to see more accurate meters. I just don't lose sleep over the supposed discrepancies. Companies are striving to produce better meters, they will arrive one day, I'm sure. However in the meantime we have to work with what we have. They work, they are reasonably accurate and they are good enough for most people unless they are perfectionists.</span></p></blockquote><p></p>
[QUOTE="cugila, post: 114479, member: 15325"] [b]qrp stated:[/b] Cugila, your replies on this topic leave me wondering. First, the 4-6mmol range, which you say is not very precise. On the contrary, it's very precise and means what it says ie fasting BG is to be within those limits. [color=#0000FF]Precise means exact.....how can a range be exact ? A range means the limits between which something varies. Such as between 4 - 7 mmol/l. Not exact or precise at all. To be exact you would have to say something like 6.5 mmol.l. Now that's exact.[/color] Similarly for the meal plus 2 hrs level (9mmol according to DiabetesUK cf Balance Issue 233). What's illogical about wanting to measure those three values accurately? [color=#0000FF]Ah, good old Diabetes UK, actually that information is from NICE not DUK, NICE set the levels, for a T1 9 mmol/l, for a T2 8.5 mmol/l. There's nothing illogical about measuring values on your meter, it's totally illogical to get worked up because the meter might be a point out. Surely as a T1 you have good awareness and know if your Bg levels are up or down ? I certainly do. I know which mood I am in and how to deal with it.[/color] I see where you're coming from as you have made it very plain. You personally find it 'too stressful' to 'fret' about reading from day to day. [color=#0000FF]You do ? I don't personally find it stressful at all about readings from day to day. I test something like 10 times a day at the moment.What that means is if the reading on my meter says 6 then I take it to be 6, not +-20% ! The people who do join here need to understand that meters are a guide not precision instruments which will give them as accurately as they can some numbers which are again a guide to their blood glucose levels. The only 'accurate' reading +- variables comes from a Laboratory. [/color] Don't do a DAFNE course, then, as they want you to record readings throughout the day and review them to get carb counts and boluses right. [color=#0000FF]Why on earth would a mere Type 2 like me want to attend a DAFNE course ?[/color] You give a pretty good idea of your philosophy and modus operandi. It's not one I'd recommend to a newbie Type 1 for whom the advice from clinics, consultants and even these forums is to use the meter to guide you on what to eat, how much insulin to take etc etc. [color=#0000FF]Really ! Do tell. Have you read any of my posts welcoming both T1's and T2's etc to this forum ? You might get a surprise when you see the advice I dish out. It looks pretty much the same as what you just posted above .......[/color] It's a numbers-driven game if you want a decent HbA1c and good control of spikes. Of course, a Type 2 can rely on Phase 2 response to return BG to 'within range'. A type 1 has more to do in that regard. [color=#0000FF]I don't accept that, there are many T2's who struggle to get the numbers back down as their responses are not working properly any more, the Beta cells may be shot or have just packed in, hence they end up on Insulin. So it's not specific to T1's.[/color] Finally, back to meters. How can better meter accuracy be anything other than a worthwhile advance for all those, Type 1s especially, who do want to take the trouble to improve their control [color=#0000FF]I've always said that better meter accuracy is something we could do with. Not an issue. What's the pre-occupation with T1's and meters. There are many of us T2's who are on hypo inducing drugs who also need tight control of their Bg levels. I'm one of them, I want my levels to be as good as they can, same as anybody else T1 or T2, whatever. You seem to be implying that T2's don't want to take the trouble to improve their control....I do hope I have got that one wrong ! [/color] Your pooh-poohing of the accuracy argument and closing words eg 'paranoic', 'more important things in life' etc merely indicate your personal somewhat acerbic view of this issue. "I'm with Dave, too", you said. I don't think so. Not in spirit anyway. qrp [color=#0000FF]Actually I said paranoid. Yes, there are more important things in life. So, why do you descend to personal comments when I have made none about you or anyone else for that matter. Surely we are all entitled to our own personal opinions without being branded sharp and direct......I agree with the direct. Why shouldn't I be ? Surely this is a discussion board, a conversation. If you don't like what somebody says then you move on, forget about it. You don't resort to insults ! I am with Dave ,,,,I would like to see more accurate meters. I just don't lose sleep over the supposed discrepancies. Companies are striving to produce better meters, they will arrive one day, I'm sure. However in the meantime we have to work with what we have. They work, they are reasonably accurate and they are good enough for most people unless they are perfectionists.[/color] [/QUOTE]
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