What does happen to non diabetics blood sugar, what should we be aiming for?

EPhantom said:

If your spikes peak is before an hour then test around that time to see where that spike goes.

And your weight matters for three reasons.
1) Blood mass: The more blood you have the more sugar it will take to get your blood sugar to the same level as someone with less blood mass.
2)Muscle mass: The more muscle mass you have the more chances insulin has to interact with a cell and remove sugar from your blood.
3)Fat mass: The more fat mass you have the less often muscle will allow insulin to put sugar into it.

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As most T2 diabetics are trying to lose weight and consider that these factors are not normally associated with BSLs as a baseline.
I would not consider them for what I eat only that it is low carb and that my plate size is small.

this is too difficult two said:

I can't understand my own condition but yours seem totally unfathomable to me.

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My RH condition means that carbs have to be very low and I have to control them not to spike above 7mmol after eating.
If I test after half an hour to an hour it would be obsessive and highly erratic.
I don't test now if I have my usual meals, only if I have something unusual or new. Or if I don't feel too good.

nosher8355 said:

My RH condition means that carbs have to be very low and I have to control them not to spike above 7mmol after eating.
If I test after half an hour to an hour it would be obsessive and highly erratic.
I don't test now if I have my usual meals, only if I have something unusual or new. Or if I don't feel too good.

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If you don't test till 2 hours you will miss the spike.
The spike is the high point.

Your missing it! I don't try and spike at all! So I don't need to test the spike!

nosher8355 said:

Your missing it! I don't try and spike at all! So I don't need to test the spike!

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Why would ANYONE try to spike?

this is too difficult two said:

Why would ANYONE try to spike?

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Ok got it I think. You don't eat enough carbs to spike so you don't have a reaction giving you a hypo?

this is too difficult two said:

Why would ANYONE try to spike?

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Now you get it! Ha!

Hi EPhantom, your original quote was from what I posted on MyFitnessPal in the hope of someone having an insight - didn't happen ! ! But I have also posted here in the pre-diabetes section Glucose not a problem, but carbs are !

As far as the OGTT goes - didn't get ANY spikes whatsoever, neither did I get a reactive hypo - I followed it with my meter checking every 15 mins.
Food wise - there are a number of possibilities and factors to consider.
1) Maybe the liver keeps dumping glucogen even in the presence of food.
2) Maybe one of the many signalling mechanisms that sense food and call for the production of insulin don't work.
3) Maybe because I am reasonably fit, pretty slim etc and by the time I get to do the OGTT my glucogen stores are depleated so I absorb the glucose directly to replenish the stores and feed muscles that need it, so whats left over isn't enough to raise my BGs.
4) Maybe its age, just can't process carbs - but that leaves the anomaly of how I can deal with the OGTT.
5) Maybe don't do anything at all with the glucose and just chuck it out of the system.
6) Maybe magnesium deficiency, since taking it my post-prandial numbers have dropped by 40mg/dl, so look much more 'normal' or only a little raised, but you would expect that with advancing years due to pancreatic ageing.

Basically my doctor doesn't give a stuff, not interested and wont explain whats happening - probably can't !

Like you I am small, 52kg, with hypo-thyroidism, currently 75 micrograms of levothyroxine. Maybe that is linked - who knows.

My a1c is now back in the pre-diabetic range - ****** - but maybe that is because my red blood cells are living longer. Basically because I feel great, I will assume that that is what happening. I shall continue LCHF because it works for me. Just means that I don't eat the stuff that raises my BG levels.

What I will say though that a rise from around 80 to about 180 mg/dl on one banana would not happen in a non diabetic. Just that amount of carb will leave me totally disorientated, definitely not safe to drive, shaking etc. etc. for goodness sake I used to have a 'nana sandwich when I was a full time gardener with no ill effects, so those results aren't normal. Also low C-peptide, Gad negative. So no immediate worries there. But, until it goes more pear-shaped, its not worth worrying about. No-one as yet has been able to give any answers. Just stick LCHF.

I would suggest you look into the autoimmune protocol of the Paleo diet - many people report huge improvements in their autoimmune conditions (like UC and Hashimotos) on a Paleo/real food diet. It should also help your BG control.

EPhantom said:

Harpar you make me wonder... maybe the fact that we're taking our thyroid meds at one time is messing stuff up... we're essentially dumping TONS of hormones it at ONE time, then letting it slowly go down... Imagine if we tried to do that for insulin in diabetics!

I'll talk with my doc about it when I see him on the 9th. ask him if there would be ill effects if I took my thyroid meds half and half 12 hours apart.

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I doubt that it would make any difference, but you can ask. The levothyroxine should be taken on an empty stomach, so you might have problems splitting the dose. Its also only T4 which is the in-active hormone, you have to convert it to T3 - unless of course you are on a natural dessicated hormone which is different. Don't think that it matters too much if you miss a dose, i.e. you dont have to take the missing meds to catch up, its quite slow acting. The fact that the thyroid doesn't work properly will help to mess up your metabolism though, can have an affect on insulin resistance, etc.