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What is liver fat?
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HICHAM_T2
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Thanks but what's relationship between diabetic and liver fat ?
Most inslin resitance is due to fat in our liver.
High BG along with high insulin results in more liver fat.
NAFLD is when there is a LOT of fat in the liver, however even a little fat gives insulin resitance.
There is no way that a normal hopital can measure how much fat is in someone's liver unless there is a lot.
High BG along with high insulin results in more liver fat.
NAFLD is when there is a LOT of fat in the liver, however even a little fat gives insulin resitance.
There is no way that a normal hopital can measure how much fat is in someone's liver unless there is a lot.
Squire Fulwood
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According to Dr. Roger Unger fat builds up in your liver to a point where the function of the pancreas is adversely affected and you become diabetic.
According to Professor Robert Lustig the two worst things you can consume which build up fat in the liver are fructose and alcohol.
According to Professor Robert Lustig the two worst things you can consume which build up fat in the liver are fructose and alcohol.
HICHAM_T2
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Dr. Roy Taylor, through studies using the ND (Newcastle Diet), is finding that drastically lowering calories will quickly remove fat from the liver in the first week. This starts to restore liver / glucose functionality. If the diet (800 Kcal / day) is continued for another 7 weeks more fat is lost from the liver AND fat in the pancreas is lowered and beta cells begin working again.
After 8 weeks, initially 7 of 11 diabetics with short term or pre-diabetes were successful in reversing their diabetes. A second study included people with longer term, 10+ years after diagnosis with much lower number of reversals. Currently a third and larger study is underway and data should be coming out in December 2017.
I haven't made up my mind about all this yet but still looking into it. Here's a link on youtube:
So another answer to your question might be:
1) reduce carbs to about 30 - 90gms daily
2) reduce blood sugar to non-diabetic levels
3) reduce calories to a 300 kcal deficit and
4) lose about 15% of your body weight.
Hmmmm, Sounds like LCHF to me.
I stopped testing positive for fatty liver by drastically lowering the carbs I was eating without lowing the calories, but it would have taken at least few weeks to work unlike the under 1 weak with the ND.
Intermittent fasting also works for lots of people.
But Dr. Roy Taylor is the only researcher that has access to the special MNR scanner, so no one else can track the removal of liver fat in the same detail as he can. He is also not interested in "low carb", so have not looked at how liver fat responds to low carb.
VioletViolet
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How long does it take for a fatty liver to become normal again following lifestyle changes? Dr Fung talks a lot about the research on how quickly it takes to get a fatty liver. How quick is reversal of the condition?
No one knows as the standard tests don't show how much fat is in the liver cells.
It also possible for someone to damage their liver due to "fatty liver" so much that the liver cells die, so a lot will depend on how long someone has had fatty liver, and how much fat is on their liver. Once again we have no affordable way to measure this.
But the Newcastle research shows that most people lost nearly all of the liver fat within 7 days on their diet, therefore clearly a 7 day fast will work just as well. (I expect a 5 day fast will work, and Dr Fung often starts that way.) Looking at peoples test results posted on this forum, it seems to take under 6 months on a committed low carb for someone who has not had Type2 or liver problems for a long time.
Firstly the scanner he uses is likely to be a state of the art, at least 3 Tesla scanners. These cost well over one million sometimes as much as 3 million each to buy. The scanner then also needs to have liquid helium topped up so as to cool the magnet. Even a standard scanner can cost £100,000 a year in service bills. (His scanner is a lot more powerful then what any normal NHS hospital would have). £500 an hour running costs would not be unreasonable for his scanner.
Add in the cost of a special room to keep the magnetic field in, otherwise, any metal within a few hundred meters will start moving towards the scanner. There have been deaths from wheelchairs flying towards scanners……
Also the way he does the scan so as to see how much fat is in the cell results in a scan taking a lot longer than a normal MNR scan.
The software is not the problem, and his team has published a paper that explains how it works, hence even if he did not give a free copy to a research that asked, it could be recreated with a few months of effort.
A lot of his funding comes from Diabetes UK, we all know what they think of low carb and intermittent fasting. Most funding for medical research comes from drug companies, and clearly, they, are not interested in proving how well diets work……
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Given the funding, I think it could spend a lot better setting up controlled trails with the NHS GPs that are already doing Low Carb, so as to convince all NHS GPs to talk to everyone with Type2 about carbs. (We don't need to know the details at the level of cells about how something works before rolling it out nationwide.)
VioletViolet
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Cheers
Ive been low carb (with sporadic blips) for months and just found out my liver is "pretty fatty" in a routine ultrasound scan. Ive lost tons of weight but still eat a LOT of low carb bingeable things like cheese and nuts . I feel as physically awful as I did prior to the prediabetes diagnosis just in smaller clothes! I don't want a fatty liver, is it time to stop overeating low carb foods? I know the answer I think..... 
