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<blockquote data-quote="Brunneria" data-source="post: 1669719" data-attributes="member: 41816"><p>Type 2 is only diagnosed after blood glucose levels rise enough to be spotted by routine tests or to cause symptoms that get investigated.</p><p></p><p>Most (never assume all) type 2s only get raised bgs because insulin resistance has risen high enough to cause that raised blood glucose.</p><p></p><p>So raised blood glucose in type 2s is a symptom of insulin resistance.</p><p>So type 2 is (usually) a condition of insulin resistance, with raised blood glucose as a symptom not the cause.</p><p></p><p>And insulin resistance may predate the raised blood glucose by decades (thoroughly shown by Kraft and decades of testing)</p><p></p><p>Raised insulin causes other health problems too (heart disease, alzheimers, etc.) which may also predate type 2 diagnosis.</p><p></p><p>Personally, i don’t think that blood glucose levels being ‘normal’ are at all helpful in indicating whether insulin resistance is present, since blood glucose tests don’t show insulin resistance.</p><p>insulin resistance can be gauged by tests - which are not routinely carried out.</p><p></p><p>So there are plenty of people walking around with normal blood glucose AND insulin resistance. These people may be moving towards diabetes, or they may have ‘reversed’ or ‘cured’ their type 2.</p><p></p><p>But if the underlying insulin resistance is still there in the background, invisibly harming them, untested, unseen, then they are not in my opinion either ‘reversed’ or ‘cured’.</p><p>A better description would be ‘apparently asymptomatic’.</p><p></p><p>For me, if people are going to claim a ‘cure’ they need to have normal blood glucose AND no insulin resistance, while eating a diet that will maintain this indefinitely. Also, since no one can claim to know the future, i think they should have experienced this cured state for a good few years before making the claim.</p></blockquote><p></p>
[QUOTE="Brunneria, post: 1669719, member: 41816"] Type 2 is only diagnosed after blood glucose levels rise enough to be spotted by routine tests or to cause symptoms that get investigated. Most (never assume all) type 2s only get raised bgs because insulin resistance has risen high enough to cause that raised blood glucose. So raised blood glucose in type 2s is a symptom of insulin resistance. So type 2 is (usually) a condition of insulin resistance, with raised blood glucose as a symptom not the cause. And insulin resistance may predate the raised blood glucose by decades (thoroughly shown by Kraft and decades of testing) Raised insulin causes other health problems too (heart disease, alzheimers, etc.) which may also predate type 2 diagnosis. Personally, i don’t think that blood glucose levels being ‘normal’ are at all helpful in indicating whether insulin resistance is present, since blood glucose tests don’t show insulin resistance. insulin resistance can be gauged by tests - which are not routinely carried out. So there are plenty of people walking around with normal blood glucose AND insulin resistance. These people may be moving towards diabetes, or they may have ‘reversed’ or ‘cured’ their type 2. But if the underlying insulin resistance is still there in the background, invisibly harming them, untested, unseen, then they are not in my opinion either ‘reversed’ or ‘cured’. A better description would be ‘apparently asymptomatic’. For me, if people are going to claim a ‘cure’ they need to have normal blood glucose AND no insulin resistance, while eating a diet that will maintain this indefinitely. Also, since no one can claim to know the future, i think they should have experienced this cured state for a good few years before making the claim. [/QUOTE]
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