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<blockquote data-quote="AdamJames" data-source="post: 1672413" data-attributes="member: 459333"><p>I've just watched this, not sure if it's representative of what you mean:</p><p></p><p>[MEDIA=youtube]szRucLvNC4s[/MEDIA]</p><p></p><p>I suspect the laws of thermodynamics are rock-solid.</p><p></p><p>The problem comes when applying them to the metabolism of living things, and trying to use them to assess calories and mass. We don't (and probably can't) measure all the energy exchange process accurately in that scenario. we'd need to measure heat loss to the environment, heat gain from the environment, the energy still available in what is excreted, carbon lost in breath, the energy used in chemical reactions etc etc.</p><p></p><p>So I agree in principle, when applied to life forms, energy in / energy out is a big simplification if we just look at things like calories input via food, and the mass of the individual.</p><p></p><p>However, to "first order", the simplification works very well.</p><p></p><p>For someone in my position, and for many overweight people with T2, focusing on calories in / calories out will get them great results. When they have lost so much weight that it starts to become difficult, then it's time to be less simplistic.</p><p></p><p>And if they want to tackle something other than body fat, such as insulin resistance for other reasons (though it does seem strongly correlated to body fat among other things), then certainly calories is not the only thing to focus on. But from a purely fat-loss perspective, thermodynamics is a great place to start.</p></blockquote><p></p>
[QUOTE="AdamJames, post: 1672413, member: 459333"] I've just watched this, not sure if it's representative of what you mean: [MEDIA=youtube]szRucLvNC4s[/MEDIA] I suspect the laws of thermodynamics are rock-solid. The problem comes when applying them to the metabolism of living things, and trying to use them to assess calories and mass. We don't (and probably can't) measure all the energy exchange process accurately in that scenario. we'd need to measure heat loss to the environment, heat gain from the environment, the energy still available in what is excreted, carbon lost in breath, the energy used in chemical reactions etc etc. So I agree in principle, when applied to life forms, energy in / energy out is a big simplification if we just look at things like calories input via food, and the mass of the individual. However, to "first order", the simplification works very well. For someone in my position, and for many overweight people with T2, focusing on calories in / calories out will get them great results. When they have lost so much weight that it starts to become difficult, then it's time to be less simplistic. And if they want to tackle something other than body fat, such as insulin resistance for other reasons (though it does seem strongly correlated to body fat among other things), then certainly calories is not the only thing to focus on. But from a purely fat-loss perspective, thermodynamics is a great place to start. [/QUOTE]
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