What's the difference?

bulkbiker said:

I'll dare to say it.. for Type 2's anyway keto is more effective (in my own personal opinion and experience).

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I agree. Keto effects my body more.

SueJB said:

Wow, thanks for this info @Brunneria. I've definitely draw the short straw. I'll keep swimming against the tide

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Also @SueJB. 20/30g carb for me can become tolerated by my body so where do you go after that?
My body is up and down. One minute it's like this.... then it's like that. So 30g carb good for it but then isn't.
My body is very resilient.
It treats insulin the same way. Also drugs too.
I can tolerate them for a little while, then my body adapts.
My adaption isn't always into ketosis. It starts blocking some of my meds from working. Causing irrational heart beats etc.

I wish my body did behave itself.... but it doesn't.
Never really has.

I truly believe ketosis does change the bodies dynamics, for sure. For me it just creates different problems. As soon as it started affecting my heart beat I decided it wasn't very good for me.
Since I have become very pain sensitive and now on more tablets to help with that.. on top of extra betablockers.
I looked great in ketosis (younger) but it can change things for some who can really do without the extra health problems.
Be prepared for opening Pandora's box.

Robbity said:

I think I was a lucky one - as I'm a fat, currently inactive, old lady who was able to get into ketosis fairly quickly by dropping carbs to 20-25g a day and lose.fair bit of weight while eating at that level, Though I think it may have helped that I've always eaten full fat - unfortunately combined with high carbs for some years pre-diagnosis , and I've been able to maintain that weight loss while eating up to about 50g carbs a day since then, and may (or may not) be producing any ketone at any given time,

I believe now that many low carbers who are losing weight and dranatically reducing their glucose levels, not needing to eat all the time oi craving carbs, may very likely be in ketosis/ fat adapted without even trying or knowing. I think their results probably speak for themselves! See http://www.tuitnutrition.com/2016/01/dont-be-a-ketard1.html for more info.

Robbity

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Thanks for posting that link, @Robbity. I agree, she's a bit of a woffler but also reassuring on the business of in keto/not in keto and why it's not the be all and end all if you aren't. It can be easy to get hung up on what other people do/advocate while not realising that that may not work for you and if the progress of what you are doing is in the right direction, then that is right for you. I found that, having madly cut carbs as much as possible, I really wasn't feeling brilliant on that level (around 10/15g?) and so upped them a bit and I feel much better. My progress is in the right direction so I am not bothered about being in keto or not.

SueJB said:

between keto and LCHF?

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I've just found an enjoyably angry article about that here:

http://www.dranthonygustin.com/low-carb-vs-keto-ketosis-different-low-carb-diet/

Which at the end has the great phrase "Ketosis is literally a measurable metabolic state."

In other words, nobody knows if they are "doing a keto diet" unless they test their blood.

Even then, the definition isn't clear. I can slip into ketosis overnight on 100g carbs a day, but I wouldn't call that a keto diet by a long stretch. When somebody says they are "doing keto" I presume what they mean is that they are aiming to be in a constant state of nutritional ketosis, for a long time, such that their body gets used to using fat as fuel.

Many people describing their diets as "LCHF" may well in fact be "doing keto", and many won't.

Even the term LCHF is used in a debatable way. People seem to disagree on the "LC" part (i.e. how many grams of carbs per day is "low") and many people "doing LCHF" monitor carbs, but not fat. Myself and many other people seem to be doing the LC part but not eating lots of fat, as we can afford for our bodies to use fat from our stomachs for fuel (and that's what we want!).

I think that's one of the best descriptions I've read so far, and goes a long way to confirm what I've already learned. So many thanks for posting!


Robbity