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<blockquote data-quote="phoenix" data-source="post: 681727" data-attributes="member: 12578"><p>First I looked him up and he is from the US which has had guidelines suggesting relatively high levels of omega 6.</p><p>Their DRIs are for 5-10g omega 6 and 0.6-1.3 omega 3 They have even more than that in the diet, largely I believe due to oils, particularly soybean oil and corn oil, both commonly used oilin cooking and processed foods that have extremely large amounts of omega 6..</p><p></p><p> People in the UK have increased their oils but they aren't necessarily of the same variety. (rapeseed is lower in omega 6) I was favourably surprised when I looked at the ratio of omega 3/6 in the UK dietary survey recently . Actually the UK, FSA funded 3 studies looking into this balance in the UK and came to the conclusion that the concept of balance wasn't useful in the UK situation and that it was better to focus attention on increasing omega 3 which they agree has benefits <a href="http://www.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/pubmed/18039412" target="_blank">http://www.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/pubmed/18039412</a></p><p>.</p><p>That's of course why they tell people to eat 2 portions of oily fish a week (<a href="http://www.nhs.uk/Livewell/Goodfood/Pages/fish-shellfish.aspx" target="_blank">http://www.nhs.uk/Livewell/Goodfood/Pages/fish-shellfish.aspx</a>) People don't do it though, dietary surveys show most people eat well under a portion a week.</p><p>The BHF does say that too much omega 6 from some oils can lead to lowered HDL.</p><p></p><p>I'm all for the Med diet . Did the Lyon study put a nail into UK advice concerning the total amount of fat ? The study dates to 1999 .and was evidence used when the present guidelines were formulated. These are for 30-35% fat witth not more than10% from saturated fat . (in the US the level is sometimes given as low as 20% with 5-7% sat fat. If you have no problems (and diabetes is a problem) then it may rise to 35%. They also have guideline amounts for cholesterol intake which have never been in UK guidelines) </p><p> The Lyon heart study,was a modified Cretan diet (a la A Keys). It had participants eating 30% fat , 8% of which was saturated so actually slightly lower than UK guidelines. The diet was high(ish) in monounsaturated fats . Omega 3 was increased through intake of a specially formulated margarine.</p><p>The Predimed diet was a bit higher at 40% but still not high in sat fat. It was also high in monounsaturated fat from the olive oil and walnuts and also contained relatively large amounts of fish and shellfish</p><p>See my post with shopping list here <a href="http://www.diabetes.co.uk/forum/threads/public-health-england-is-reviewing-the-dietary-advice-conveyed-in-the-eatwell-plate.67542/#post-679691" target="_blank">http://www.diabetes.co.uk/forum/threads/public-health-england-is-reviewing-the-dietary-advice-conveyed-in-the-eatwell-plate.67542/#post-679691</a></p><p>Basically, I think that the paper has far more relevance to the US than to Europe. </p><p>There is a fascinating interactive gadget from National geographic which shows changes in the dietary pattern over 50 years in many countries including the UK and the US. There are significant differences between the two. (tip it doesn't work well in IE, works better in chrome) <a href="http://www.nationalgeographic.com/what-the-world-eats/" target="_blank">http://www.nationalgeographic.com/what-the-world-eats/</a></p><p></p><p> </p><p></p><p></p><p></p><p></p><p>.</p></blockquote><p></p>
[QUOTE="phoenix, post: 681727, member: 12578"] First I looked him up and he is from the US which has had guidelines suggesting relatively high levels of omega 6. Their DRIs are for 5-10g omega 6 and 0.6-1.3 omega 3 They have even more than that in the diet, largely I believe due to oils, particularly soybean oil and corn oil, both commonly used oilin cooking and processed foods that have extremely large amounts of omega 6.. People in the UK have increased their oils but they aren't necessarily of the same variety. (rapeseed is lower in omega 6) I was favourably surprised when I looked at the ratio of omega 3/6 in the UK dietary survey recently . Actually the UK, FSA funded 3 studies looking into this balance in the UK and came to the conclusion that the concept of balance wasn't useful in the UK situation and that it was better to focus attention on increasing omega 3 which they agree has benefits [url]http://www.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/pubmed/18039412[/url] . That's of course why they tell people to eat 2 portions of oily fish a week ([url]http://www.nhs.uk/Livewell/Goodfood/Pages/fish-shellfish.aspx[/url]) People don't do it though, dietary surveys show most people eat well under a portion a week. The BHF does say that too much omega 6 from some oils can lead to lowered HDL. I'm all for the Med diet . Did the Lyon study put a nail into UK advice concerning the total amount of fat ? The study dates to 1999 .and was evidence used when the present guidelines were formulated. These are for 30-35% fat witth not more than10% from saturated fat . (in the US the level is sometimes given as low as 20% with 5-7% sat fat. If you have no problems (and diabetes is a problem) then it may rise to 35%. They also have guideline amounts for cholesterol intake which have never been in UK guidelines) The Lyon heart study,was a modified Cretan diet (a la A Keys). It had participants eating 30% fat , 8% of which was saturated so actually slightly lower than UK guidelines. The diet was high(ish) in monounsaturated fats . Omega 3 was increased through intake of a specially formulated margarine. The Predimed diet was a bit higher at 40% but still not high in sat fat. It was also high in monounsaturated fat from the olive oil and walnuts and also contained relatively large amounts of fish and shellfish See my post with shopping list here [url]http://www.diabetes.co.uk/forum/threads/public-health-england-is-reviewing-the-dietary-advice-conveyed-in-the-eatwell-plate.67542/#post-679691[/url] Basically, I think that the paper has far more relevance to the US than to Europe. There is a fascinating interactive gadget from National geographic which shows changes in the dietary pattern over 50 years in many countries including the UK and the US. There are significant differences between the two. (tip it doesn't work well in IE, works better in chrome) [url]http://www.nationalgeographic.com/what-the-world-eats/[/url] . [/QUOTE]
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