Sorry but I think this is absolute rubbish... how can someone with a below"normal" HbA1c get the complications of a condition they don't appear to have?
Sorry but I think this is absolute rubbish... how can someone with a below"normal" HbA1c get the complications of a condition they don't appear to have?Nothing has been proved yet that low carbing stops diabetic complications it may lower the risk somewhat but some will always be more predisposed to them than others no matter what they do
But I think scaring them about what might happen...and hopefully never will.. is not the right way to go it is more likely to make them run a mile. We are still a tiny drop in the ocean of diabetics world wide who low carb so will we be the only ones left on the planet with a complete set of limbs. Nothing has been proved yet that low carbing stops diabetic complications it may lower the risk somewhat but some will always be more predisposed to them than others no matter what they do
We can't tell you what to do because we are all different and there is no one way to suit everyone so you have to do what you think is best for you and what you think you can stick to.
This not a lecture but would love you to succeed in bringing down your BS. “Much in the way of veg” means to me there are some veg you like. How about trying some veg you have never tried before. My OH who isnt diabetic hated all veg when we met after years of overcooked greens etc but tried new ones and now enjoys a variety of veg he never tried as a child. You can roast mixed veg like peppers, mushrooms, courgettes, aubergine, tomatoes on a tray in the oven with a bit of olive oil making it easy. Nothing wrong with cooking enough brocolli for 2 days at a time. No chips. Fruit not good anyway. If you must have bread there are low carb options in the supermarkets. There are veg rice alternatives which are good. Just ask us for more info.Well looks like I'm in trouble. I've seen that list before. I can't eat much in the way of veg, fruit or nuts, no fish either. I'm OK on chicken, cheese and water.
Yes we can give help without telling them they will loose limbs if they don't take it. Others here are managing to give advice without telling the OP they will loose limbs because it is not necessary to say thatI have known 2 diabetic ladies who lost legs. That's 2 too many.
And how helpful do you think your first post on this thread was?....
The OP is asking for help and you are saying we can't give it because we are all different! Maybe tell the OP what you do personally?
But where is your own constructive help? All you say is 'it may never happen' and criticize those of us who are trying to help. My advice about the limbs is from my own experience of people I once knew, it isn't scaremongering, it is fact, it happened.[
Yes we can give help without telling them they will lose limbs if they don't take it. Others here are managing to give advice without telling the OP they will lose limbs because it is not necessary to say that
No one is saying that they will lose a limb but the possibility is there as is going blind. The OP needs to know that if they continue the way they are going the possibilities of this happening to them are real and are increasing. Sugar coating these things doesn't help anybody.[
Yes we can give help without telling them they will loose limbs if they don't take it. Others here are managing to give advice without telling the OP they will loose limbs because it is not necessary to say that
Hi everyone, newby here.
I was diagnosed with T2 about 8 years ago with a BS of around 9 mmols, put on Meterformin which did nothing, but give me stomach cramps and make me feel 'orrible, so I stopped taking them. I felt great a couple of days later and didn't bother taking anything for the next 7.5 years. My BS slowly went up to around 12 and stayed there. Because of a forthcoming operation I needed to get the BS down, I was prescribed various tablets (all 3 types) non of which did a thing to the BS. The only thing that worked was exercise, (I cycle 30 to 40 miles at a time). I've now been put on Lantus, started at 10 units, going up 2 units every 3 days, I'm now on 20 units. My BS has still not changed. How often can I increase the dose and by what amount? It seem that nothing I take makes any difference, is this common?
But where is your own constructive help? All you say is 'it may never happen' and criticize those of us who are trying to help. My advice about the limbs is from my own experience of people I once knew, it isn't scaremongering, it is fact, it happened.
I just eat what I want when I want. I'm not going to be a slave to diet.
Even if the OP is producing little or no insulin he still needs to test in the right manner and learn to count carbs if he ends up on mixed insulin, I don't think there's any getting away from that.
One other question @SuttonRider .
What are your blood sugar levels doing through the day? Give us a breakdown on morning levels, before meals, 2 hours later & before bed.
To other members; please don't back off the support because captain Lantus is here!
I feel your pain. A lot of people on this forum report that after a while on a LCHF diet, they love it and they genuinely have no desire to eat the 'bad stuff from the old days'.
I never reached that point and am not sure that I will. I've had to cut out alcohol which I sorely miss even after months of abstinence. I also get very envious of people buying things like biscuits, crisps, pies, chips and cream cakes when I'm shopping. I don't want the long-term adverse health effects of eating those things, but I do want the immediate pleasure of eating them. There are some textures and flavours you just can't find on LCHF.
If there was a cheap, quick and easy "pill" I could take to be able to eat these things and be healthy, I'd take it. I don't see insulin as being that. I'd fear that if I used insulin to allow me to keep eating the things I want, I'd be heading down a slope of needing more and more insulin. I'd also feel like I'm permanently a slave to medication monitoring, rather than temporarily a slave to close diet monitoring.
Being a "slave to diet" isn't a bad description of what it was like at first, but that changes. It can become an adventure, your taste can change and over time it becomes second nature when out shopping. But all I can say is that it does get better. A lot of it is in the mind - trying to find positive ways of approaching it instead of focusing on feeling deprived of the things you like. I've discovered some stuff I now really like, plus there are one or two foods from the 'bad old days' that, when I've been silly enough to try them again, I genuinely don't like any more.
There are also some "halfway house" food stuffs, such as low carb bread which can help out a lot. If you go on "the adventure" of finding "the right" foods for you, you can be having a breakfast of sausage, bacon, egg, mushrooms and two slices of buttered toast for breakfast, even with a cup of tea with milk in, and be having less carbs than a small slice of normal bread.
I went through being a slave to diet for a while last year. A positive way of expressing it would be "a learning process" which gets easier the more you learn. Now I still need to monitor things, in the sense that I don't seem to have an appetite suppressor, so I need to watch calories no matter what type of food I am eating (some people find that LCHF automatically inhibits their appetite) as I want to lose weight. But the benefits are huge. I'm feeling better, I can do my hobbies such as hill waking much more easily, and there are many days when I don't need to monitor things at all.
Anyway it's your decision of course, but such an important one that, even though you've tried LCHF before, I'd be tempted to try it again, testing each meal's effect on your blood glucose, and be willing to feel like a bit of a slave just for a week or so until you've built up a good picture of what you can safely eat and what you like.
I only take my BS once every couple of days, if that, so I don't know where its at during the day.
I agree that it is not helpful / appropriate to regale people with warnings of losing limbs / sight etc - people who have read anything about diabetes or indeed been lectured by any DSN or GP, will be very aware of the dangers / risks and bashing them over the head with it is not likely to helpI am not criticizing anyones advice or help about diet it is just about telling the OP he faces loosing limbs or his eyesight if he does not follow the advice given. No one can predict that not even the medical scientists know every thing about diabetes and why it affects some people differently to others so we certainly don't if they did there would be a cure by now
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