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Which reference says that antidiabetic drugs do not reduce mortality and morbidity?
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<blockquote data-quote="EllieM" data-source="post: 2277500" data-attributes="member: 372717"><p>Well, personally, and tongue in cheek because I'm T1 and I know you mean T2, I would have died 50 years ago without insulin, so I'm a big fan of that anti-diabetic drug.<img src="data:image/gif;base64,R0lGODlhAQABAIAAAAAAAP///yH5BAEAAAAALAAAAAABAAEAAAIBRAA7" class="smilie smilie--sprite smilie--sprite1" alt=":)" title="Smile :)" loading="lazy" data-shortname=":)" /><img src="data:image/gif;base64,R0lGODlhAQABAIAAAAAAAP///yH5BAEAAAAALAAAAAABAAEAAAIBRAA7" class="smilie smilie--sprite smilie--sprite1" alt=":)" title="Smile :)" loading="lazy" data-shortname=":)" /><img src="data:image/gif;base64,R0lGODlhAQABAIAAAAAAAP///yH5BAEAAAAALAAAAAABAAEAAAIBRAA7" class="smilie smilie--sprite smilie--sprite1" alt=":)" title="Smile :)" loading="lazy" data-shortname=":)" /></p><p></p><p>I agree with [USER=451727]@KK123[/USER], anti-diabetic drugs reduce hba1c so at least in the short (and medium?) term they do help. The issue for many T2s is that they are part of a treatment for a slowly deteriorating condition. Without the drugs, the patients would be sicker and dead sooner, so the drugs do improve mortality. (Remember, we all end up dead eventually, even if it's the age of 110 after running a marathon in record time.) It's not that they make things worse, it's that reducing carbs can make things so much better. And you've got to remember that there are a lot of folk out there who do fine by reducing their carbs a bit and taking the medication. </p><p></p><p>I am an advocate to the T2 low carb approach (just ask my dad who's off T2 meds after ten years) but it's not for everyone and there's nothing wrong with getting some medication help. Some people need insulin even if they go low carb (you can argue about whether they are misdiagnosed T1 or whether there insulin producing cells are worn out), and I don't think anyone should be made to feel inferior because they still need a bit of medical help. It's a metabolic disorder, everyone's metabolism is a bit different, what works for one person does not necessarily have the same result for another.</p></blockquote><p></p>
[QUOTE="EllieM, post: 2277500, member: 372717"] Well, personally, and tongue in cheek because I'm T1 and I know you mean T2, I would have died 50 years ago without insulin, so I'm a big fan of that anti-diabetic drug.:):):) I agree with [USER=451727]@KK123[/USER], anti-diabetic drugs reduce hba1c so at least in the short (and medium?) term they do help. The issue for many T2s is that they are part of a treatment for a slowly deteriorating condition. Without the drugs, the patients would be sicker and dead sooner, so the drugs do improve mortality. (Remember, we all end up dead eventually, even if it's the age of 110 after running a marathon in record time.) It's not that they make things worse, it's that reducing carbs can make things so much better. And you've got to remember that there are a lot of folk out there who do fine by reducing their carbs a bit and taking the medication. I am an advocate to the T2 low carb approach (just ask my dad who's off T2 meds after ten years) but it's not for everyone and there's nothing wrong with getting some medication help. Some people need insulin even if they go low carb (you can argue about whether they are misdiagnosed T1 or whether there insulin producing cells are worn out), and I don't think anyone should be made to feel inferior because they still need a bit of medical help. It's a metabolic disorder, everyone's metabolism is a bit different, what works for one person does not necessarily have the same result for another. [/QUOTE]
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