Would you rather they withdrew their support entirely? Who will replace the lost funds?
My wife last year had an operation for cancer. The day she came home from hospital she received a phone call from Macmillan Foundation. She expected them to be offering help or advice, but NO, it was only a fundraiser asking for a monthly donation.
Fundraising nowadays is big business and it doesn't care. It has targets to meet, agents to pay, postage and packing etc. Charities do not pay CGT or other taxes, but what about the fundraising companies that they contract out to. How much of our charitable donations go directly to the government? BTW think of the future potential for Sugar Tax income.
Well, they sell beer, and more people die of alcohol related causes than guns.
Iwas being Devils advocate. It is difficult to see how one could change this practice without seriously affecting the revenue stream, and by reductio ad absurdum I mean that this is an extreme result of such a change. In an ideal world, one would hope that sense would prevail, and sensible practices would be the norm. But we live in a society that looks for rewards with minimum effort, and this aspect of fundraising is more successful than others.Please read my posts Oldvatr, I certainly haven't said anything about withdrawing support for diabetes. I know about charities, I worked for 3 over the years.
Iwas being Devils advocate. It is difficult to see how one could change this practice without seriously affecting the revenue stream, and by reductio ad absurdum I mean that this is an extreme result of such a change. In an ideal world, one would hope that sense would prevail, and sensible practices would be the norm. But we live in a society that looks for rewards with minimum effort, and this aspect of fundraising is more successful than others.
To end this practice will probably lead to a reduction of useful funding QED. I repeat the question I raised earlier which is: If you object to this practice, have you complained to DUK? A secondary question is: If this leads to a reduction in funding, are you able to accept this as a consequence and a fair price to pay?
People do have choices and do make choices as to what they consume or smoke for that matter.
What about the AA, Alcohol Annoyomus having a raffle and the 'prizes' are all alcohol related, but never mind, as long as it brings in the cash.
I think that if we try to answer just the question that was posed by the OP - is it appropriate? then most here would probably feel that it was not, and that a better way would be, well, better.It's an interesting question.
Do AA campaign to ban all alcohol from general sale?
Do they believe that alcohol shouldn't be consumed by any of the general population at large?
Do their members believe it should be removed from sale, and anyone that supports AA should actively campaign to have alcohol removed from any place that supports AA?
Do you believe that they should in some way attempt to influence non members to this end?
I think that if we try to answer just the question that was posed by the OP - is it appropriate? then most here would probably feel that it was not, and that a better way would be, well, better.
Where we are disputing is in what to do about this and what the resulting changes could bring about (consequences) Without a valid revenue replacement strategy in place, there is no way that things will change. What is currently being done is NOT illegal, but raises moral indignation amongst some. Take this argument to the general (non diabetic) community and you will probably get a different perspective. Again, we on this forum represent a small minority view of the world. It is important to us, and we can see advantages to others out there, but we cannot dictate how they should lead their lives. All we can do is express our disquiet, suggest alternatives, and then accept that there are things we cannot change.
Yes it's often a drunk with a gun.Well, they sell beer, and more people die of alcohol related causes than guns.
Yes it's often a drunk with a gun.
Hi I work for Tesco and diabetic. When we do fundraising events we use the ideas given by our charity partners british heart foundation and DUK and yes these are on there list of ideas. Thye make a lot of money and Tesco last year made over 20 million pounds for the partnership.I know many diabetics who when in store participate in events and also bake cakes if holding a cake stall.I know that some people will say that they are just trying to raise money and if that's the easiest/best way of raising money then they should just do that. But it doesn't sit well with me. I think it risks damaging the reputation of the charity. We are constantly being told that being overweight and eating sugary junky **** raises your risk of getting diabetes. Plus, any diabetics who would like to support Diabetes UK may exclude themselves from donating in this way as they won't be able to enjoy the prize! (I know a little choc is ok but who'd have the willpower to resist a big hamper of chocs in their house? I wouldn't!) So there must be lots of diabetics in tesco who see it and walk by.
But for me it's more about the message - let's raise money for a condition that is partly diet related (not wholly, but partly) by selling a big hamper of sugary food or a load of cakes.
It's not even like I see them with a raffle for anything else - they could easily do, say a hamper of toiletries, or smelly candles, or just a general tombola-thing with a number of items, possibly a few food related. But it's always sweets and cakes .Why? In my local tesco I heard a customer laughing at the DUK table and saying 'this is hilarious, love it!' It's turning diabetes into a joke with the local population many of whom will only become aware of DUK through their ridiculous tables in tesco.
Does anyone else think its...rather inappropriate?
You obviously missed Dawn French in The Vicar of Dibley. Monster mega choc-out along with other cravings of the two legged kind. I agree that there are worse confections than chocs. Advertising should be taxed. We already ban junk food ads on kids TV, but cannot touch these ads on websites. As a diabetic, I am aware of what chocolate does to me, so I avoid it most of the time. And yes, it galled me to buy Easter eggs for the rest of the family but had to totally abstain myself. Ditto looking at the Turkish Delight that was given to me at Xmas, which has now been demolished by my daughter.I did answer that.
I find nothing wrong with chocolate being eaten by the general population.
I find nothing wrong with it being a raffle prize.
Cadburys have been around since the mid 1800's.
Well before obesity and diabetes took off.
They were a very good employer, with strong moral values.
Chocolate isn't advertised aggressively.
It never has been.
Kelloggs are worse.
McDonalds are worse.
Coca cola is worse.
They are associated with health, they do promote the good side of life.
Chocolate is advertised as a luxury product.
It's not advertised as a health food.
It hasn't got hidden sugar, like that milk shake (was it at Costa, or your other popular one was full of)
It's been demonised in films by images of fat kids, mouths covered in chocolate, having stolen whatever they could find and literally crammed it in, rolling around on the floor after, feeling sick. (was that Willie Wonka and the Chocolate Factory?)
Remember Dawn French and the chocolate orange?
Addictive or what.
And no offense to Dawn French, make what you will of the choice.
Ok, you could get laid with milk tray, but she only ever ate half a chocolate, she didn't trough the box down.
And you had to climb a building first.
No one ever says chocolate is good for you.
No one says have a box of Milk Tray for a healthy breakfast.
No one says do the chocolate diet.
Eat too much chocolate and be sick is the normal thing (especially if you think of a kids party)
So no, there are a lot worse things that are sold as health food that need to be targeted first.
Many eat chocolate on here, look at the recipes, what have you eaten etc, so ultimately we actually approve of chocolate.
Reason being stores don't have a budget for this and rely on donations from staff and customers so unfortunately unless a gym kindly donates then we use what we have available same goes for gift vouchers etc.Make people aware of diabetes, yes and this has been on the forum before, with many, but not all, complaining about the 'sweet content' of raffles, especially as diabetes type 2 is an epidemic and is so often in the media.
I find it quite farcical, surely there must be other alternatives? possibly gift vouchers, book tokens, a session in the Gym, money off vouchers for in store goods in a local Tesco branch ??
Hi I work for Tesco and diabetic. When we do fundraising events we use the ideas given by our charity partners british heart foundation and DUK and yes these are on there list of ideas. Thye make a lot of money and Tesco last year made over 20 million pounds for the partnership.I know many diabetics who when in store participate in events and also bake cakes if holding a cake stall.
carrot cake diet?Cakes.
Again, cakes are sold as a luxury food, with no connotations of health associated with them.
So all the comments I made for chocolate apply.
And again, cakes have been made well before diabetes and obesity, and conjure images of the Wi, and sitting on the lawn for afternoon tea, as a special occasion.
The 'cake' diet hasn't been invented yet.
carrot cake diet?
Yeah?Nobody eats carrot cake.
It's not a real cake, it has vegetables in in.
(Well, maybe hippies)
I don't think either of us is extolling the virtues or otherwise of this diet. But i do see mention of Atkins, Paleo, Newcastle, South Beach and other 'commercial' diets on this site. Again, it seems ok to promote LC diets because they are in fashion, but go apes**t if it has carbs. The rest of the world doe not see the world just like we want them to. Any diet that helps to lose weight should be valid since there is no one size fits all. Even Eatwell has its supporters who testify to it helping them.Can we say 'Weight Watchers' on here?
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