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Why don't some people get it?

I heard it said on TV that when people are overweight and asked by doctors, nurses and dieticians how much they eat they are usually eating 75% more than they admit to so this probably includes diabetics as well . They know they have been eating the wrong stuff and panic before a blood test so they think eating just salad for a couple of days before the test will make a difference
 
So every single overweight person is a liar! Stupid too! Of course slim people would never forget the odd sandwich I suppose? I find this assumption by the media and medical profession to be very insulting. I am keeping a food diary right now and include absolutely everything. I always do. Even down to calories from a Berocca tablet, fish oil supplement or a throat lozenge.
 
Yep I think this is true, as I said earlier I think people react differently some just go "ok lifestyle change" and completly change their diet and mindset and others need to find a way to buck the system.

At the moment I am going down the lifestyle change route and really and sincerely hope that this a path I can stay on.

As we have said before on this thread it is all down to human nature and that is a strange and mysterious thing
 
It is ignorance and the media that clumps all T2's as being overeating overweight people with no control on how they eat. We know this is not the case but unfortunately this is the image we have been given. and it will take a lot to change peoples opinion about it we just have to live with it and not let it offend us to much
 
SunnyExpat said:
And this 'ridiculous woman' you speak so lowly of, just has to put up with the patient's attitude, and work on through it with a helpful attitude towards them.
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Thing is that there is those D.nurses that are really good and helpful and then there is those that can be classified 'ridiculous'...they could not care less, verge of being rude. I've seen plenty of those...though luckily the helpful ones are majority.
What kind of D.nurse ask long term diabetic (which she would easily find out by just looking at the notes)....have you ever tried dieting?"who haven't" ... Do you eat healthily? ".. by what standards?" During these standard questions they are not interested with answers or have conversation..it is just box ticking exercize. ... Statins side effects conversation: "sometimes you just have to put up with little bit discomfort and odd ache.." ...at that point I didn't hold back and told her 'what's what'.
I could go on and on with similar examples...and not only with conversational but not even able to perform basic tasks correctly resulting false reading! These 'ridiculous' nurses are generally not interested their patients...not even doing their job properly..they are just interested being superior position to make them feel good.
But it is human nature and we get those in any job...but somehow it feels even worst in 'caring profession'...and sometimes it feels that I'm like a magnet and seem to be meeting those sort in regular bases
 
It also clumps together all overweight people as having no control. That's what offends me.
 

Hi Lindy
I agree completely. I took my diagnosis 5 months ago as a kick up the **** to sort myself out. I have completely changed my relationship with food and am now happy doing 48 hour fasts. Bloods are much more controlled and I have lost quite a bit of weight. I had similar experiences with HCP's as you and got quite angry about it but then considered that they were doing what they were told to. It's not really their fault and I can imagine that day after day seeing people with Type 2 getting worse must be pretty soul destroying. The problem of course is that this is to some extent caused by the advice that they are forced to give out.. talk about a vicious circle! My DSN told me that I was the first person in a year that had taken control of their condition and reduced my HbA1c so well. I wonder sometimes that if Metformin hadn't made me so sick I would have tried so hard to stop taking it. So maybe I dodged a bullet.
 
Yes it is insulting but unfortunately the media has a big influence on how people see things if they say we have T2 because we are fat overeating slobs this is what is believed
 

Possibly.

I seem to have only got good ones.
Perhaps they also have their own personalities, and react to their exchange with the patient, the way most people do.
Or maybe I've just been very fortunate, and never met a 'ridiculous' HCP.
 
A little different view of mine:

If you eat pizza all the day with a big coke and your by is worst, yes there is something wro... You could improve your diabetes handling. And LCHF / complete lifestyle change can be an option.

But there are other ways, too. I am on insulin since my first day of diagnosis. I came down from 1c 11% to 5.8%. I control what I eat, calculate the BE, but I still eat bread, pasta, rice, ice... Because I don't want to test and inject in the evening watching TV, I eat tomatoes with cheese. But when I have the need for crisps, I eat them without any grief. And I inject, of course.
 
We've kind of slipped away from the main topic.
Some people - and we know this is true - categorically refuse to change their eating habits. They know the risks, but put their desire for bread, cakes, chocolate, etc before their health. They take the tablets as instructed and avoid appts because they know they will come in for a rollicking. They choose not to change, and because the side effects of this diet tend to be invisible, they don't acknowledge them. To watch this is heartbreaking, because one knows that eventually, luck will run out and serious disability, or even death will be the outcome. But personal choice must be paramount, and accountability. We can only be responsible for ourselves, no matter how much we want others to see the dangers.

Re DN's, they see all sorts. If they push the NHS party line, it's because they have to. That is to be expected, and we have to accept it unfortunately. What we should not have to tolerate is blanket judgements, accusations and tarring everyone with the same brush. Each patient is an individual, and should be given that respect - anything less is unacceptable.

I do believe that we - the proactive people - can change the common view. The more of us that learn to manage our condition and get results, the more the NHS will have to take notice. It's happening with statins and it will happen with diabetes dietary advice. The proof is in the pudding. (Sorry, couldn't resist!)
 
I was perfectly pleasant to her beleive me if a little "oh ok" at the lying cheating comments.

I asked about LCHF and was told no its to difficult, excercise, a little walk will not do any harm, the Newcastle diet oh good heavens no and in the end it came down to brown pasta and bread, take the tablets no need to test, try and cut down on sugar and see you in three months.

I realise that it is the repeated dogma and she is just not up to date with the current thinking I get it. This by the way was the practice nurse not a Diabetic Nurse ( I am waiting for my referral to come through for that) .

Oh an you are lucky indeed I worked in the NHS for many years and came across many "Ridiculous" HCP's a group of consultants having a peeing contest over office space is something to be beleived
 
To be fair, many people are told to eat starch, take metformin, never test and go to an education day where they are served biscuits. I don't know why we are surprised that some people do not see the need for change.
 

I must indeed be lucky.
I guess that's why it's a shame when HCP's all get tarred with the same brush.
Sometime's it needs to be pointed out they're not the same.
And I don't really care how big their office is, or what they did to get it, it's how they behave to patients that counts for me. Their peeing contest is private as far as I'm concerned.
 
SunnyExpat said:
Possibly.

I seem to have only got good ones.
Perhaps they also have their own personalities, and react to their exchange with the patient, the way most people do.
Or maybe I've just been very fortunate, and never met a 'ridiculous' HCP.
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Oh I can understand 'personalities'...that is usually good thing. I don't mind nurses and doctors that are blunt with their responses but when they are no up to their job and try to hide it behind fancy language or stuffy attitude... some it is down that they are not really interested as long as it looks that they've done their part..at least on paperwork...that gets me.
I don't like my details being talked about loud or not given privacy when I've been measured for various things. Being judgemental and looking down from their 'high horse' is so bad...they've been trained to do their job and there is no need for that kind of attitudes.
I'm not having a go at you btw...I just get so mad when I see these kind of people, what ever job they are doing...and I do see it too often.
It doesn't cost money to listen and talk..rudeness is form of laziness. I never snap at people, being patient or doing a job where I advise others..but I don't let 'ridiculous' people get their way neither.
When you are talking about your body, your health, your details..it is very vulnerable situation to be in and 'ridiculousness' is not acceptable attitude.. nobody is not gaining nothing from it. It can even lead into strong resentment against patient's own care for their own condition....feeding the 'what's the point' attitude.
 
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That's why they need to be collared and given an education. Better still, a link to this joint and tell the fool you'll see THEM in 3 months after they do THEIR research. Did it with mine and she still thanks me for it to this day.
 
Mike D said:
That's why they need to be collared and given an education. Better still, a link to this joint and tell the fool you'll see THEM in 3 months after they do THEIR research. Did it with mine and she still thanks me for it to this day.
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Thanked by a fool?
Mmm.
 
Depends on the person to whom you speak and their ignorance ....
 
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