I am another who knew nothing about beta cell damage before reading this thread and because of that am grateful that this thread was started.
I feel less happy that Rowan feels so unhappy that she needs to leave the forum because of perceived victimization. Surely it's possible to put your point of view without making people feel stupid and/or misguided.
We can help people to gain knowledge without being unkind and by using suggestion rather than verbal demoralizing.
Mike, Wish I could have put it into these words, really great.That is (if I may say so) a bit harsh @Janiept
What do you want people to do? Say nothing? Ignore the posts? You can't go thru life without encountering the supposed negatives, be they perceived or real. I'm sure even rowan agrees with that. I wish her the best, but if you hit hurdles, you jump them ... and for the greater part, she sure has.
When i joined I knew next to nothing about neuropathy, retinopathy, immune system compromises, diets, LCHF, what to eat, what NOT to eat, acceptable sugars, testing times ....... and every message I sent received a response so I learnt as I went along. I am ONLY in that position because of others so if you think I'm "clued up" then please dismiss that thought. I'm far from an expert, but I'm a light year ahead of where I was. I stay here as I still have much to learn. I stay here as I still have debts to repay thru advice to new members.
I do not walk away. I wish her well as I would any other. Tread your own path
Mike
Or the app http://www.carbsandcals.com/products/carb-and-calorie-counter-app/Have you bought the book people recommended - Carbs & Cals? You can't just split most foods into one group or another because most foods contain amounts of each. Meat has a lot of protein, and it also has a lot of fats, but no fibre or carbs. Eggs are a mix of protein and fats, but no carbs or fibre. Bread has carbs but also fat, protein and fibre. It is a huge learning curve, and if you have a food diary and track these nutrients, you will get there.
Hi Hedonista, I agree, I think you have captured the essence of it all.I'm immensely grateful to the people on this forum for their patience and guidance.
One of the things this forum helped me with, was feeling less stigmatised and ashamed that I'd 'done this to myself'. Rowan's point, I think, is that sometimes, even if you do everything 'right' your BG won't respond, or respond as well as expected, because of other factors, and that it's good to bear that in mind when responding to people. I agree that we do often fool ourselves, or aren't well informed enough to realise we're making mistakes, but sometimes, people may be doing everything they can/should do and still not getting the results.
I've found the transition to LCHF mind-blowing and still don't really believe I'm not storing up trouble for the future by changing my diet from a high (unrefined) carb, lots of fruit and limited dairy type diet to this one. I fear heart disease, cancer etc, quite aside from setting aside some of my concerns about animal welfare just for now, while I deal with the complicated transition into this diet/lifestyle and see if it works for me.
There's a lot of information to absorb when we're first diagnosed. Food means so much to us, too, and letting go of certain foods and ways of eating can be not just a practical issue, but an emotional challenge. Our natural defences against difficult and sometimes frightening information, means we newbies may not take it all in at once, or take it in very well!
there is also the point that @Giverny doesn't want us to 'overwhelm' the new person. I can assure you beta cells were in my list of 8 or so linksI am another who knew nothing about beta cell damage before reading this thread and because of that am grateful that this thread was started.
I feel less happy that Rowan feels so unhappy that she needs to leave the forum because of perceived victimization. Surely it's possible to put your point of view without making people feel stupid and/or misguided.
We can help people to gain knowledge without being unkind and by using suggestion rather than verbal demoralizing.
Where have I ever said I expect anyone to have a handle on my complications? Even most doctors have never seen a case like mine so there's no way I would expect it of people here. I do wish people would stop making me out to be unreasonable, especially when it's for something I haven't done!
Well done you for getting your head around it more than I have. Maybe you'd be as ill-informed as I obviously am if you'd had 10 years of other stuff so painful and life-threatening (I've been near to death 4 times with 2 different illnesses, spending many months in hospital) that diabtetes really was the very least of your problems and just getting though each day living alone as a very sick and disabled person is about as much as you could cope with.
Add on top of that the extensive research I've had to do on other health issues and how to cope with them, issues that are not common enough to have any forums like this to get any help or support from. So I'm sorry I've not researched as well as you but I've had more pressing problems to deal with, I'm not superwoman and I can't do everything.
As for you being 'utterly astonished' that I've not heard of beta cell damage, so am I, but I'll bet I'm not the only one here not to know about it. Why do people assume that we know all about the technical side of diabetes (as someone posted earlier), but not how to feed themselves properly?
My posts on this thread have not been about me although several of you have tried to turn them against me, they have been about other people who are upset because they feel they're not being believed, as I explained several times. I personally don't give a ***** who believes me or not because I know I'm doing the best I can.
And as I have pointed out several times on this thread, ALL I've been saying is that we shouldn't automatically assume that people's BG is not reducing as fast as yours might have done because they're not low carbing correctly. There are other possible reasons, but I mentioned the beta cell damage as an example only after a few people mentioned it on here, not because I expected anyone here to have told me about it beforehand.
So, all this has shown me that a lot of people don't read posts properly, they're putting words into my mouth that I hadn't even thought of, and in this thread I've felt that I'm being attacked by a pack of rabid dogs, just for trying to help a few people who are upset and feeling misunderstood. And it's for that reason that I no longer feel comfortable posting here, so I won't be coming back to the forums and I've asked for my account to be closed.
Where have I ever said I expect anyone to have a handle on my complications? Even most doctors have never seen a case like mine so there's no way I would expect it of people here. I do wish people would stop making me out to be unreasonable, especially when it's for something I haven't done!
Well done you for getting your head around it more than I have. Maybe you'd be as ill-informed as I obviously am if you'd had 10 years of other stuff so painful and life-threatening (I've been near to death 4 times with 2 different illnesses, spending many months in hospital) that diabtetes really was the very least of your problems and just getting though each day living alone as a very sick and disabled person is about as much as you could cope with.
Add on top of that the extensive research I've had to do on other health issues and how to cope with them, issues that are not common enough to have any forums like this to get any help or support from. So I'm sorry I've not researched as well as you but I've had more pressing problems to deal with, I'm not superwoman and I can't do everything.
As for you being 'utterly astonished' that I've not heard of beta cell damage, so am I, but I'll bet I'm not the only one here not to know about it. Why do people assume that we know all about the technical side of diabetes (as someone posted earlier), but not how to feed themselves properly?
My posts on this thread have not been about me although several of you have tried to turn them against me, they have been about other people who are upset because they feel they're not being believed, as I explained several times. I personally don't give a ***** who believes me or not because I know I'm doing the best I can.
And as I have pointed out several times on this thread, ALL I've been saying is that we shouldn't automatically assume that people's BG is not reducing as fast as yours might have done because they're not low carbing correctly. There are other possible reasons, but I mentioned the beta cell damage as an example only after a few people mentioned it on here, not because I expected anyone here to have told me about it beforehand.
So, all this has shown me that a lot of people don't read posts properly, they're putting words into my mouth that I hadn't even thought of, and in this thread I've felt that I'm being attacked by a pack of rabid dogs, just for trying to help a few people who are upset and feeling misunderstood. And it's for that reason that I no longer feel comfortable posting here, so I won't be coming back to the forums a
nd I've asked for my account to be closed.
Beta cell damage, until reading this thread I had never heard of it.
Research, are we saying that everyone with diabetes should do their own research.
My brother is 75, he is type 2. He doesn't have a computer, his children has shown him how to use a "fancy phone. "
Do I tell him stop believing what the NHS has told him and go do some research.
He would say, well they got me through that heart opp, 2 new valves triple by pass. And with their rehabilitation. I can now dig my own garden.
I bet there are very few people on this site that are type 2 and don't have other problems. Thats why we started to look on the www in the first place.
If people follow the lchf and see changes within a couple of weeks, well good luck to them.
I came to this site because, of support, this I have had from Rowan and some others.
Telling people your can't be doing right, or your should be reading labels, I find this very demeaning.
I hope you don't go Rowan you have helped. Best regards Rowan.
PM sent to @rowan. I am another beta cell ignoramus, so I have some work to do.
Me too. Been keeping quiet for the last few days...So it's not just me then. There was I thinking I was the only, slow! Old! Newbie!
Me too. Been keeping quiet for the last few days...
So it's not just me then. There was I thinking I was the only, slow! Old! Newbie!
So it's not just me then. There was I thinking I was the only, slow! Old! Newbie!
Hi,Me too. Been keeping quiet for the last few days...
Hi Muggle71 & Millysue,
Out of interest - has knowing about beta cells - made everything clearer for you? ie how you view your diabetes/treatment?
Can't speak for millysue but I was meaning ive never heard of beta cells...
Can't speak for millysue but I was meaning ive never heard of beta cells...
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