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<blockquote data-quote="Oldvatr" data-source="post: 1759905" data-attributes="member: 196898"><p>And you misunderstood what I wrote. The report you included in your post is an official archive study report, and within that report there are the claims for T1D insulin replacement. It is clear that my response was saying that the report was wrong in this aspect, and hence could be misinterpreted especially by inexperienced readers of this forum who are not looking at it from the medical research perspective, but in terms of what it promises for them personally.</p><p></p><p>I agree you did not make the claim yourself, but nonetheless you do have a responsibility by sharing the link with us, as by implication it makes it seem a slam dunk bona fide breakthrough at first glance, and it is only when one reads the small print between the lines that one sees the mays, mights, and possibles that show it is a blog from the author dressed up as mutton. The pseudo science in it is mystification simply put in to make it seem to be an official evidence based study, which it most certainly isn't.</p><p></p><p>I agree with your last statement about it working for some, and not others, but we had a lengthy thread on this forum discussing this supplement, and although there were a couple of positives reported, the general reported outcome seemed to be negative, i.e. it was being reported as not working for anyone to any significant degree. The supplement is certainly used in the oriental countries for treating diabetes since before the discovery of insulin, but there is still no official recognition of it being a need to have, and it still languishes in the dark alternative medicine culture and is not a mainstream treatment at all. If the French Lily (aka Metformin) made the transition, then why not Bitter Melon? One has to ask why mainstream research has shown absolutely no serious interest in this plant.</p><p></p><p>Yes supplements are a personal journey for us all, but they tend to be expensive, and may also have side effects and interactions that are not always beneficial to the user. Because they are not supplied by mainstream sources, then they are private venture funded and come from generally uncontrolled sources that may be of dubious origin. Caveat Emptor.</p><p></p><p>It is so easy to post a link here, so I will add mine</p><p><a href="https://www.webmd.com/vitamins-and-supplements/bitter-melon" target="_blank">https://www.webmd.com/vitamins-and-supplements/bitter-melon</a></p><p></p><p>Edit to add: PS my GP hails from a country where Bitter Melon is indeed used widely in their alternative medicine and where it is also grown. He strongly advised me not to try it, and I went against his advice, After a year of use I am still alive and still diabetic. I am no longer using the product.</p></blockquote><p></p>
[QUOTE="Oldvatr, post: 1759905, member: 196898"] And you misunderstood what I wrote. The report you included in your post is an official archive study report, and within that report there are the claims for T1D insulin replacement. It is clear that my response was saying that the report was wrong in this aspect, and hence could be misinterpreted especially by inexperienced readers of this forum who are not looking at it from the medical research perspective, but in terms of what it promises for them personally. I agree you did not make the claim yourself, but nonetheless you do have a responsibility by sharing the link with us, as by implication it makes it seem a slam dunk bona fide breakthrough at first glance, and it is only when one reads the small print between the lines that one sees the mays, mights, and possibles that show it is a blog from the author dressed up as mutton. The pseudo science in it is mystification simply put in to make it seem to be an official evidence based study, which it most certainly isn't. I agree with your last statement about it working for some, and not others, but we had a lengthy thread on this forum discussing this supplement, and although there were a couple of positives reported, the general reported outcome seemed to be negative, i.e. it was being reported as not working for anyone to any significant degree. The supplement is certainly used in the oriental countries for treating diabetes since before the discovery of insulin, but there is still no official recognition of it being a need to have, and it still languishes in the dark alternative medicine culture and is not a mainstream treatment at all. If the French Lily (aka Metformin) made the transition, then why not Bitter Melon? One has to ask why mainstream research has shown absolutely no serious interest in this plant. Yes supplements are a personal journey for us all, but they tend to be expensive, and may also have side effects and interactions that are not always beneficial to the user. Because they are not supplied by mainstream sources, then they are private venture funded and come from generally uncontrolled sources that may be of dubious origin. Caveat Emptor. It is so easy to post a link here, so I will add mine [URL]https://www.webmd.com/vitamins-and-supplements/bitter-melon[/URL] Edit to add: PS my GP hails from a country where Bitter Melon is indeed used widely in their alternative medicine and where it is also grown. He strongly advised me not to try it, and I went against his advice, After a year of use I am still alive and still diabetic. I am no longer using the product. [/QUOTE]
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