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Yes the support here has been very good and most, if not all posters at the end of the day mean well. I sincerely think that the posters here want a better outcome for all. Dealing with diabetes is tough enough and sometimes you just need someone to talk to, and you know that fellow diabetics will be the only ones who can understand.


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Fossicking for good info is always the same, you have to sieve a lot of gravel to find quality gems and even more to find diamonds.
 

@marion07 Please have a re-think about leaving the forum. Unfortunately your thread was hijacked and went seriously off topic. None of this was a reflection on you. It happens on forums but is not good forum etiquette in my opinion. You were asking for guidance, and I sincerely hope you got this before the debates started. Where there are groups of humans there will always be disagreements, none of which excuses back biting. Please come back and tell us how you get on at your appointment on Wednesday. We do care.
 
Believe me I am not knocking the LCHF diet ot any other diet thats personal each to their own to do whatever suits them best
What I do find worrying is not the diet itself but the way it is presented by some people here who are so passionate about the LCHF diet that they make it sound to newbies and everyone else that it is really the only diet they should be doing and they tell them not to eat certain foods when that is only based on what they can't eat theirself They knock the Eat Well plate... is that what it is called I had never heard of it before I came here and certainly not from the DN....and tell them not to take any notice of that as it's bad advice but it is not bad advice HCP's would not be allowed to give people advice that they knew was totally wrong, it is a perfectly healthy way of eating and plenty of diabetics do just fine on it and they have never heard of LCHF We are all doing it to a certain degree we just tweak it to to suit our own requirements... less carbs more fat etc whatever you want to eat less or more of
I do low fat not popular on this forum I know but it suits me but I would never ever dream of telling others they should do it If only one diet suited everyone but unfortunately it doesn't so we all have to experiment to find the way that suits us personally Yes suggest LCHF as a diet tell them how it works for you but at the end of the day people still have to find what works best for them
 
Why do people take offence when people have a different viewpoint? Look through the forum where many threads have evolved from one subject to another.

I was hoping that my posts showed that there was no one size fits all regardless of how people manage their diabetes. and that newly diagnosed who have difficulty following diet plans would be able to understand that they may have emotional problems that need addressing too. There are plenty of yo yo dieters who come to the forum and cannot understand why they sabotage any diet.

The NHS is not perfect and anyone who thinks that it is are is deluded. They can only give advice that has been approved so really your beef should be with the people who educate the educators rather than slagging off the people who try to help with information that some people feel is outdated.

I find it hard to understand why people think that some of us have not cut any carbs out of our diet and are trying to influence other posters to follow the eatwell plate. Nothing could be further from the truth, I have yet to meet a poster here who has not cut their carbs to some degree to manage their diabetes and I have never had a HCP involve me with the eatwell plate.
People complain about the NHS being rigid in their approach to diabetes management and yet the same applies here from some posters.

I am beginning to understand why a certain Swedish Doctor has so many links here as he tells his readers to spread the word about his site in any way they can.

If you don't understand why I posted what I did then so be it. I shall not lose any sleep about it.
 
@catherinecherub - Well I for one understand why you posted it and as usual you make lots of good points. Thank you. As you say the NHS isn't perfect.
 
On the whole this is a good forum and most people here want to get as much information as they can about diabetes and that includes their diet so at least tell them about other diets not just the one ...which is still very controversial.... at least that way they can make choices and not be made to feel they only have to do it because nothing else has been mentioned After all we would not be very happy to go into a shop to buy something only to find there was just

one choice only we woulf go somewhere else
 
I am afraid if we have a different opinion to the majority then we are the outsiders. Yes like others I have cut my carbs to a degree but some insight on how other peope are doing on different diets would be nice
 
I would love to hear more about what others are doing with different diets and their pros and cons.

I note that Daisy's intro which is provided to all new members does not refer to LCHF - no particular reason why it should - so it could be argued that LCHF adherents are putting forward the alternative, not the other way round. The question is who is going to talk about the various other alternatives? Is it time that Daisy's intro post is revised to take account of all options so that some of the subjectivity is removed?

(Marion, this thread has developed a momentum of its own - apologies if it feels hijacked but there is some useful discussion coming out of this).

There's no reason for this debate to get polarised, what's important is that new members are made to feel welcome and supported (as I was), and I don't doubt that everyone is trying to offer help but we can only be truly 'expert' on our own experiences and what works for us as individuals, and in the process we get some feel for how widespread that experience and approach is. If I get too evangelical in talking about my own approach then I hope someone will say so and I'll tone it down.
 
HI @marion07 please don't leave the forum, there is a lot of advice and help on here. I agree with @Indy51, take what you need from here and ignore the rest. The nurses at my practice are great and so is my GP, I told the nurse that I had joined the forum and gave her the link so she could have a look. Hope everything goes ok on Wednesday look forward to reading your post.
 
hi, welcome

it is very important for type 2 diabetics to follow an eating plan that keeps their blood glucose down, im no expert but i see it like this, eat the stuff that dosent cause blood sugar spikes, sugar is a carbohydrate, there are many other carbohydrates, all of these to varying degrees seem to spike my blood sugar so avoid them where ever possible, this has worked very well for me but i have no other health conditions that this way of eating could effect so i feel its safe, i have done all the research i can (i am not clever enough to understand anything complicated) i have read an awful lot about how successfully reducing carbs can be and certainly found it to be the way to go for myself, other people seem to be able to eat more sugar (or carbs) though so i hope your one of those (if you like carbs) i suppose its all trial and error, but i personally have found this way of eating a life saver and would be ashamed of myself if i didnt encourage others to try this approach, well done for getting yourself a meter you dont have to take any chances and believe total strangers or your doc/nurse on what to eat, you have the meter, you can see for yourself regarding the conversation earlier on in this thread im sorry if it has turned you off the forum, the forum isnt perfect *shrug* nor can doctors be, personally i have spent alot of time with my daughter with some very clever doctors and endocryn dudes who were awesome and saved her, on the other hand, i believe the diabetes advice my dad received from hes doctor killed him, he was told to eat in moderation (lol) he died at 67 so in my opinion that didnt work, the advice i have been given from my own doctors and nurses is at best non existent and at worse very dangerous and ignorant, this isnt to say they are all bad but as everything on the forum is our own personal experiences, i cant really sit here and say my hcps are good, so in conclusion please stick around if you want to learn about diabetes or just read through the posts without posting if you prefer its all good, thats the point, is it is all good, i cant believe anyone posts here for their own benefit except the funnier threads where i suppose having fun is for self benefit, but no one is posting on a thread like this for personal gain so even if you decide someone (especially me) is talking nonsense i reckon its nonsense with good intentions

so my equation... diabetes t2 = sugar is bad for me, sugar = carbohydrates, fewer carbs = less sugar, less sugar = better control = happy andy
 
A few big posts so I may as well add some more words not sure about the wisdom tho.

My original Specialist more than 10 years ago (things have changed) said something like. (and I think he had this bit sussed)

T2 is not really a disease it is the hunter and gatherer's survival system, It is perfectly natural and that is why it is so hard to beat.

To enable the hunter and gatherer to survive the good and the lean times the body puts on weight when it can and as we age it increases our sugar level so we can still run down breakfast/lunch/dinner. But of course, we are not hunters and gatherers anymore and we have a constant supply of food and we can walk to the refrigerator or the supermarket. I will prescribe insulin for you.

Enter stage right my new cutting edge Specialist who works with a research hospital and I think he got this next bit right.

I want to get you off insulin with a no major carbs diet and when we get your weight down so you can tolerate carbs we will increase your carbs as much as we can.

The way I read it both specialists wanted.
A) To get my BS under control
B) To have me on a recognized balanced diet

But one was prepared to sacrifice weight problems associated with insulin, and the other was prepared to sacrifice a balanced diet for how long it took to get my weight down and then a maintenance diet with some increased carbs.

So it comes down to
Specialist (A) control by Jabs
Specialist (B) control by diet hence weight control and Tabs

I am happy that Specialist (A) controlled my BS and at age 71 I only have nerve issues with my feet (I had some before I went to him).

I am tickled pink that Specialist (B) I have lost more than half my excess weight and jabbing can cause lows which is particularly dangerous when driving.

When I read LC in here I know what it is about.

When I read LCHF I think it is too radical for me, because I consider both specialist aim is for a balanced diet and that should be my aim too.

My BS control can be tighter on no jabs because there is no risk of insulin generated lows, and it is. My weight reduction is from 105 KG down to 91 and still dropping slowly and I have lost my raging hunger. We all can eat my food at home and others have benefited with weight loss.

I have never eaten as much tasty food as I do now (not much taste in bread spuds rice etc) I am eating more cakes (and icing) it is all good for me.
I hope that helps.

PS I have found the wholesaler for nut flours etc in Brisbane if anyone is interested.











 
i too am newly diagnosed t2. got the meter and strips from my surgery and replacements are on prescription. once i identified what was causing high levels (it wasn't difficult cos i loved sugar in tea and coffee) i started to use a powder sweetener, i drink less tea now and more water. i eat more Mediterranean diet now and after a week and a half my levels are down. my nurse will be pleased hopefully when i see her next week as i also think ihave lost weight. this forum is a godsend. thankyou and good luck to all
 

Yep, you played hard and done good

But stage twooooo is where the fun begins.

Stage two is making your home diet, restaurant quality gourmet.

I make nut flour patty-cakes filled with sweetened berries in my electric pie maker, BBQ on the patio gas BBQ, stir fry with Asian condiments on gas on the patio, delicious mud cake/chocolate in seconds in the microwave, flat cheesy nut bread in a sandwich press, red wine and diet coke infused stews and hot pots with curries and spices in the slow cooker, and the list goes on.and includes delicious icinq made from cream cheese, sweetener, vanilla and cocoa or cream cheese sweetener and lemon juice, or deep fried prawns dusted with wheat flour.Jam from mixed berries sweetener and gelatin.

No more lusting over bread and spuds and grain products, we are too busy working on delicacies.
 
marion07 said:
Can anyone recommend a good book I can buy to help me with food choices for t2.
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hi . i have found a book by Robin Ellis, the actor to be really good. Delicious Diets for Diabetics. i git it from Amazon. it has certainly helped me. best wishes
 
 
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