BulkBiker is right. All HCP's working in the NHS have to sign a contract of employment that in effect binds them to the NICE guidelines. This protects them from class action lawsuits in the event things go wrong. NICE regulates through these guidelines what medicines and procedures they can or cannot prescribe, and what process to follow while dealing with patients. It is a tick box exercise. A GP would be going against his practice manager if he or she steps out of line. It is like the Party Whip in the Commons.bulkbiker, I think you miss understand my point While I appreciate that you only wish to help. But trying to forcing your opinions on me, is I feel totally the wrong approach. You said "Your doctor is obliged" My doctor took an oath to "first do no harm" so until he is 100% sure he is not going going to give me what could be bad advice. I am also 100% sure he is not going to second guess or follow any "NICE" guidelines.........
...... I have come to realize my friend has gone down the road of taking things a bit to far in his HFLC diet. Thank you.
That's was still the message less than a year ago.When I did mine it was all about the eatwell plate and low GI so things have moved quite a long way in 2 years
Hi @Bobby59 I still eat roast potatoes but only have 2 little ones. Be careful with pasta as this is quite high carb but I have found that I can eat a small portion which has been cooked, cooled and then re-heated w/out sending my BS too high.Thank you Daphne917 For the moment this is the strategy I am adopting, I love pasta and roast potatoes with a Sunday lunch the thought of never being able to have them any more is very depressing.
That's was still the message less than a year ago.
I was given the eat Badly plate and low GI advice on Tuesday when the practice nurse gave me my diagnosis.....When I mentioned LCHF I got the horrified "not with your cholesterol levels" and when I asked about the 800 calorie blood sugar diet that was classed as "totally ridiculous and dangerours and and impossible to stick to".....sigh!
I know. Coming on top of the diagnosis, the advice to eat carbs when we are carbohydrate intolerant is just another blow. Then there is the actual treatment which does not seem to me to be aggressive enough and, of course, uses the cheapest drugs. It all destroys any confidence we might have had that the NHS might actually look after us. There can be a problem with cholesterol on LCHF and some on here seem to favour vegetable fat for that reason. I am still trying to find the right balance as far as it is possible. Good luck.I was given the eat Badly plate and low GI advice on Tuesday when the practice nurse gave me my diagnosis.....When I mentioned LCHF I got the horrified "not with your cholesterol levels" and when I asked about the 800 calorie blood sugar diet that was classed as "totally ridiculous and dangerours and and impossible to stick to".....sigh!
@Bobby59 If you are 100% sure of your doctor's advice, why do you anticipate trying a LCHF diet against his advice sometime in the future?
@Bobby59 Also, why do you think your friend has taken LCHF too far?
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Always good to see a medical professional with an open mind!
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but doesn't it give you the most wonderful motivation to go back in a few months with new blood scores and prove her WRONG
I'm not looking for any hidden meaning, I just find it odd that you have come up with many reasons against LCHF, then say "I am looking to use the HFLC diet at some stage". I doubt LCHF will ever be "fully endorsed", so you won't have to worry about that. If your doctor said to you that "the jury is still out and I should just stick to a balanced diet for now", that sounds a lot like he is saying not to use LCHF. I'm sorry if I misunderstood. Perhaps you you should ask him for clarification.He has not said not to use it. Just not until it is fully endorsed with more research. There was no hidden meaning between the lines so why are you looking for one there? Could the HFLC diet be yet one more diet fad?
I could not agree more. Thank you my apologies, my comments were meant to open a productive debate. But instead I got a bit of a personal bashing for not bowing to the status quo that seems to be going on here. As the nice man said He clearly can not understand what it is I am dong here as he clearly fails to see any possibility of there being any thing untoward with the HFLC diet a lot like my fanatical friend.
A question that I feel is very important. Given the history of supposed fantastic diets and miraculous cures. It is possible the HFLC diet is little more than yet one more fad. I look at the sudden turn around in medical science from fats being bad to fats being good all most over night as breath taking. I wonder why this amazing change of events strangely came along with a increase of Type Two Diabetes.
Some years ago I heard a story of a wall in a small town in America. After a big storm a faint image of what looked like a man with long hair and a beard and what looked like a halo around his head on the wall. Soon enough the image was thought to be that of Jesus Christ and people came from all over to see it and prey next to it. Some claimed to have been cured of illness because of it. This went on for many years making the small town very popular. Then one day there was another big storm when the dust settled clear as it could be on the wall was a painted advert for cigarettes with a depiction of a long hair, beard cowboy and his ten gallon hat..
I'm not looking for any hidden meaning, I just find it odd that you have come up with many reasons against LCHF, then say "I am looking to use the HFLC diet at some stage". I doubt LCHF will ever be "fully endorsed", so you won't have to worry about that. If your doctor said to you that "the jury is still out and I should just stick to a balanced diet for now", that sounds a lot like he is saying not to use LCHF. I'm sorry if I misunderstood. Perhaps you you should ask him for clarification.
What do you mean by your friend is "taking things a bit to far in his HFLC diet"? Has your friend's health been damaged by LCHF?
I would respond with just a couple of points.
Your friend may be over-zealous and may have gone OTT with his dietary changes and weight loss. Not one single person on here knows how accurate that assessment is without actually seeing him and discussing his regime with him. Assuming he is a capable adult, he has made a lifestyle choice which may or may not serve him well over the longer term. Every single one of us does that every day - including you.
Many people comment that when they lose weight in particular, the hear unpalatable feedback from their friends and sometimes relations. Sometimes that is well meaning and bourne out of the changes the onlookers see, and are unfamiliar with. Some of us, once we pass spring chicken stage, find it takes a little longer than immediately for our skin and outer appearance to catch up with the improvements in our inner well-being, because, just as an example, our skins don't shrink quite so readily or rapidly. And thirdly, some people's friends would love to be achieving what they are and are jealous. The massive majority are feeding back supportively fearing our wellbeing, nit not always everyone.
To be clear, I am not drawing lines between your post and any aspect of that comment.
Over time, you will come to understand which of you or your friend was closer to reality with your feelings and his actions. I really do hope your friend remains well; not because I desperately want you to be wring, but because I would like him to be healthier and enjoying the benefit of the changes he seems to have made. Change isn't easy.
From my own perspective I have reduced my carb intake and when I, myself, got very slim I increased my fat intake a bit in order to stabilise my weight and all other health markers.
Incidentally, the swing from low fat to fuller fats has been a slow burn process, with many more health care professionals understanding that the timeline for increasing diabetes and obesity is closely connected to the time-frame for recommending low fat products. Sadly, though, there has been a great deal of resistance of HCPs "coming out" for full fat before the official guidance begins to support it. In some ways that is understandable; such is the litigious society we live in.
These days I rarely get the "you look a bit drawn" feedback because people are more used to seeing me thinner. Where I am now, I spend around half of the year (winter), with summers in UK. I had actually had a very difficult lead up to returning here last month (a bit later than usual) and wasn't looking forward to being told I looked pale and drawn. In my opinion I did. I'd had some surgery and no sign of sunshine for months on end, as opposed to warmer, sunnier climes here and everyone else glowing. But, the reality couldn't have been more different. I had further refreshed my wardrobe so that I am no longer wearing anything too big, or very roomy any more. I am wearing well fitting underwear, clothing and swimwear and enjoying it. Actually, I was told I looked fitter than the butcher's dog.
So, I think your assessment of your friend's position is a very complex one, which time will tell upon. In the meantime, I hope you too remain well.
Sorry I should of been more forthcoming with this. My friend of some 6 weeks. We met as a result of my over hearing his conversation about HFLC diet at a bike rest. For much of the time he was my only source of information about HFLC.
So you think I am jealous oh dear oh dear oh dear.
@Bobby59 Other than from your friend, have you tried to find out info on LCHF? Perhaps that is why you have doubts about LCHF? Why do you think he is taking LCHF too far?
I'm not sure what you're going on about regarding normal weight. I never claimed to reject all official government health guidelines. Are those the only 2 choices? Reject all health guidelines or follow all of the unquestioningly?
You sure don't seem to be following the Eatwell guide, so I would guess that you also don't follow the official government health guidelines unquestioningly. Can I ask why you have rejected the government's advice to eat a diet of mostly carbs? From your description of what you eat, you are closer to LCHF than Eatwell.
I'm hardly trying to wind you up. You haven't said what effect of LCHF has been on your friend. You don't seem interested in discussing LCHF in a meaningful way, so I'll leave this thread as well.Could it be that I have done some internet research of my own after seeing the effect the HFLC diet has had on my newly found friend. I have to ask are you deliberately trying to wind me up?
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