My fasting figures only went up 0.5 when I came of the metformin
I read that Berberine is as effective as Metformin. I have no problems whatsoever with Metformin but if I had to choose, I'd go with Berberine in pill or capsule form. I have tried Berberine powder because it's cheaper but it tastes like poison and the poison taste lingers for a long time. Good luck.
Evening all
Does anybody know of a metformin substitute that does not have the same side effects. I have tried Glucophase and Sukkarto slow release but both have given me upset stomach which is not good when you drive for a living
DN insists that I take them but need alternative.
Thanks
It would have to - whilst taking it I could not take any exercise or even pick up anything heavy, I did not even get the exercise of running up the stairs as I had to stay in the room next to the toilet, for the time I was not actually in there.The issue is that the research shows metformin reduses stokes and hart issues in people with type2 independantly of any reduction in BG. It has also been sown to reduce the rate BG increases, even if it does not reduce BG much.
One important difference between the two is that Metformin has been subjected to the necessary safety testing to endure it is fit for purpose and can be prescribed whereas Berberine has not had any proper tests as far as I can see, Food supplements are not governed by the normal regulations regarding reporting of incidents by yellow card system or similar, and thus you have no legal recourse if things go wrong. There may be severe incidents associated with this supplement, but because they are not registered, then how would you or I know different?You could ask your Doctors or medical team about Berberine and enquire it this would be suitable or not as substitute???
Hope this assists
https://www.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/pmc/articles/PMC1785201/Doesn't Metforim come with a black box?. Meaning it has problems, with liver and also vitamin B12 deficiency if used in long term.People with fatty liver shouldn't have it should they? and yet someone wrote in here they are taking it for fatty liver. Seems to me you rarely get the truth and should search for it yourself. Metformin made quite a mess of me i can tell you that. Now this may be garbage, but i read a bout a doctor saying apple cider vinegar daily has the same effect as Metformin. Needless to say i took it faithfully and had great reading first 3 months, then stopped it and next a1c was higher, so have restarted it.Since i must say this .."I'm no doc". But will take my chances on some thing natural such as cinnamon and apple cider vinegar as well as healthy eating and exercise.
One important difference between the two is that Metformin has been subjected to the necessary safety testing to endure it is fit for purpose and can be prescribed whereas Berberine has not had any proper tests as far as I can see, Food supplements are not governed by the normal regulations regarding reporting of incidents by yellow card system or similar, and thus you have no legal recourse if things go wrong. There may be severe incidents associated with this supplement, but because they are not registered, then how would you or I know different?
Also Metformin has been demonstrated by scientific scrutiny to provide other benefits other than bgl reduction, and again any claims for Berberine of other benefits will be anecdotal, and unproven. Indeed the claims that Berberine has any effect on bgl is also largely anecdotal and may be false.
The supplement Berberine, along with other similar health products may work as claimed, but you will be taking them at your own risk, and those risks are not very well documented at all for this one,
This website is unknown to me so I am not sure how valid their research is:
https://examine.com/supplements/berberine/
Here is a report held in the archives that may be more reliable. The authors are from Iran.
https://www.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/pmc/articles/PMC5478780/
You must consider that NO pharnaceutical company has taken up with this as a source for any official drug trials, and so it begs the question - Why Not? If it is as good as claimed, then it should be worthy of follow up and possible profit making. But no interest from any drug maker.
I reply to Moggely, metformin black box, well said information, excellent.
I can support your information as stated also, I take cidar vinegar daily along with 1/3 grapefruit daily as researches of the latter inform, can do the same as metformin, without any side effects. I do not know anyone I mean absolutely anyone who has taken metformin, who has not suffered severe stomach and other problems, so am baffled at Oldvatr mentioning that....
"Metformin has been demonstrated by scientific scrutiny to provide other benefits other than bg",
Moggely hit it on the head loud and clear, natural, cinnamon ensure its the real stuff, exercise, healthy eating real foods, and I would like to add intermittent fasting as and when you feel like it and allows.
@Oldvatr . Thanks for the link. I'll continue to take it. Told my doctor also and he said "whatever keeps it low by all means take it'. I do have it with a full glass of water though and about 2 teaspoons of the apple cider vinegar with the Mother. This doctor that said it on utube, i can't remember his name, said it has to be the one with the Mother on the bottle.
@pollensa . I think we all have to do what we think is good for us and i always tell my doctor what i'm doing so he is in the no about everything i do. I did know about the dangers to the throat and that certain people can't have it. But i think it's referring to taking it straight, something one must not do. Yes on salad dressing along with lemon also good. Berberine can't even find that in a health store as i was very interested in that.I reply to Moggely, metformin black box, well said information, excellent.
I can support your information as stated also, I take cidar vinegar daily along with 1/3 grapefruit daily as researches of the latter inform, can do the same as metformin, without any side effects. I do not know anyone I mean absolutely anyone who has taken metformin, who has not suffered severe stomach and other problems, so am baffled at Oldvatr mentioning that....
"Metformin has been demonstrated by scientific scrutiny to provide other benefits other than bg",
Moggely hit it on the head loud and clear, natural, cinnamon ensure its the real stuff, exercise, healthy eating real foods, and I would like to add intermittent fasting as and when you feel like it and allows.
@pollensa . I think we all have to do what we think is good for us and i always tell my doctor what i'm doing so he is in the no about everything i do. I did know about the dangers to the throat and that certain people can't have it. But i think it's referring to taking it straight, something one must not do. Yes on salad dressing along with lemon also good. Berberine can't even find that in a health store as i was very interested in that.
Thanks @pollensa . I will do that, also the cinnamon, in case i didn't mention it is the Ceylon cinnamon capsules. I know about the other being toxic in large doses though i think many have a sprinkle of it on food which is ok but i wanted the pure stuff. I'll google the Berberine though.Most health food stores are able to obtain on asking if not sold direct on shelves. I have four friends who could not tolerate Metformin or other meds to degree they opted Berberine, thankfully all have good results sugars lower, and no side effects whatsoever, albeit Berberine in some may give tummy upsets as it states, but to lesser degree, as mentioned within all the people I know and familiar with who use it daily, have no problems whatsoever, whether that is the case for all out there, obviously I cannot speak, I only speak facts of people I am acquainted with know they suffer no probs and good results sugar levels.
Take a peep in google Berberine there seems to be some reputable good sources of information to read generally to give one an idea, I am sure Docs know about this, and perhaps, raising the item, may be able to inform more too?? Hope this helps. Make sure its a good quality same as cinnamon.
Thanks @pollensa . I will do that, also the cinnamon, in case i didn't mention it is the Ceylon cinnamon capsules. I know about the other being toxic in large doses though i think many have a sprinkle of it on food which is ok but i wanted the pure stuff. I'll google the Berberine though.
Thanks @pollensa . I will do that, also the cinnamon, in case i didn't mention it is the Ceylon cinnamon capsules. I know about the other being toxic in large doses though i think many have a sprinkle of it on food which is ok but i wanted the pure stuff. I'll google the Berberine though.