It was just one example of how some Scottish people don't always appear to like the English. I'm not moaning about Scots. Generally I love the Scottish people. (apart from Alex Ferguson, but like you said what has football got to do with this) I'm moaning about Scots who moan about the English. This is what happened in my case. I have heard so much of this, and I don't think you realise that when a Scottish person slags me off for being English it hurts me. Why wouldn't it? Some Welsh people have done it too. That hurts as well. Yet if I so much as mention here that I too have been hurt by xenophobia, I'm in the wrong. How does that work, only xenophobia
by the English is hurtful? You don't think we get hurt too? I was mentioning it in reply to your anti-English post. So in my case I have been at the receiving end of xenophobia too. So Weens12 I apologize on behalf of myself and my English compatriots for anything you and your fellow Scots have found distasteful and xenophobic against yourself and the Scottish people. Maybe you could apologize to me too because my feelings have been similarly hurt over this? It would be good to be friends.
@Avocado Sevenfold I understood the importance of the vote and I'm sorry you were hurt by this thread.
Zand,
Thanks for bringing some sanity into this discussion. I think the football thing might be a bad example of the Scots-English thing. There's always rivalry in these things, and unfortunately it gets out of hand on occasion.
I'm sorry to hear that you've been on the receiving end of racism for being English, but you won't get it from me. However, if you feel that I have hurt you, it was not my intention, and you have my sincerest apologies. You're not in the wrong for bringing it up, and I do realise it hurts - but please don't think this is indicative of all Scots people. We have nutters on both sides of the border, although we might have the edge
- this is the cross we both have to bear. I don't see how you think my post was anti-English - it was anti-racism. I will call out any racism I see - regardless of which "side" perpetrates it - it is something I will not tolerate. And like you, I don't like being slagged off just for being Scottish - for something I've done or said - but not for an accident of birth.
I love English people - most of my friends are English, as are some of my family. What I don't like, is those who abuse one another over their nationalities or football affilitions, or anything else for that matter. (This is one of the reasons I don't like football - and the whole Rangers/Celtic thing which exists in Glasgow) - I don't like Alex Ferguson much either, but that's a personal thing - I don't like shouty people - although I do seem to have become one today.
I like people who are open-minded and honest, and there are many on both sides of this argument. There should also be room for discussion of important issues without bringing nationality into it. Especially if it's used as a stick to beat the other person with.
But, I repeat, this is not the forum for this type of discussion.
I objected to the flippant remarks on this thread, which are particularly unwelcome at this time for what I would have hoped was obvious reasons. It's not sour grapes, as some might call it, but the fact that we've all in Scotland had to put up with all the negative propaganda for months over the independence issue, and it can get to you after a while. The whole fried mars-bars, haggis-eating, kilt wearing thing is trotted out every time someone wants to denigrate Scots. We need to reunite now... not stoke the fire.
I don't go around calling English people limeys or any other derogatory term because it's just plain wrong, and I know those sort of things can hurt - although sometimes I'd like to
There's a time and place for the jocular kidding-on/slagging off of one another.. this is neither.