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[Scandichic]

Yeah, well, you have to get some kind of energy from diet, you know, or you will starve to death eventually. I can´t see why fat should be avoided, but I have valid reasons to stay off carbs. And try to keep protein in the normal-low region to protect my kidneys.

I just wish someone could tell me what there is to be afraid of when it comes to fat.

Hear, hear! I have found plenty of evidence to say LCHF lowers weight and cholestrol and am living proof of this! No-one has managed to show me the evidence to prove that what I am doing is wrong and that I should eat low fat. In fact, in low fat food, the fat has often been swapped out for sugar - take yoghurt for example! Still, I know that some people have had incredible success with low GI so I guess it's each unto their own!

 

[xyzzy]

I am trying to make changes gradually in advance of my appointment with nurse for referral to RIO (the local institute for obesity). I am trying where possible to swap things I used to eat (like chocolate, cakes, biscuits etc) for healthier snacks. It is quite confusing though. I do need help with my diet and that is why I am getting referred. Is it acceptable to snack on fruit and nuts?

I also find lunchtimes a challenge because I am used to having a sandwich and often dont feel like a salad, or feel like preparing one. I expect the answer is have wholemeal bread? But why am I allowed a piece of wholemeal bread and not white bread? Dont they have the same calories in? Or do I have to give up bread altogether? What about potatoes?

You are right that you should be avoiding sugar but there are two important things to understand. The first is that to lose weight you simply need to eat less calories. If you do that then you will lose weight. That will greatly help your blood sugars because excess weight is what is causing the insulin you need to produce to keep your blood sugars at safe levels from working properly.

The second important thing is to realise its not just sugar that will make your blood sugar rise. Things like white bread white rice pasta potatoes and flour (things that contain starch) will also make your blood sugar rise nearly as much as pure sugar.

Swapping to brown versions slows down the digestion and helps limit how fast your blood sugars will rise but even brown versions of starchy foods will still make them rise pretty quickly.

So just as you've decided to cut back on things that contain sugar you should akso seriously consider reducing how nany starchy foods you eat. For example if you give up a teaspoon of sugar in your tea but then eat two extra slices of white bread a day it probably won't help you at all. You need to cut both sugar and starch. If you do that you will lose weight and normalise your blood sugars before you progress to full type 2 diabetes which is incurable and will mean you will need to follow a strict diet for life or risk some pretty serious health consequences.

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[Scandichic]

My results were 6.9 and 5.8, taken a week apart. He said there was no diagnosis here of diabetes, checked my BP (normal), weight said my BMI was 31 and I was obese and I should change my eating habits and try to lose weight. He offered to refer me to a local weight loss group but I have heard there is a lot of exercise when you go to weekly classes. This wont work for me as I have two double disc bulges with impingement and fibromyalgia. I do what I can, when I can, but obviously my reduced mobility have led to my weight gain. I will monitor my blood myself, I will go away and lose weight perhaps via weightwatchers or slimming world as I have done that successfully before. I realise it is, as you say above, pretty much in my hands and only I can change things.

If any other members have been to weightwatchers or slimming world with a diagnosis of diabetes and used the diet successfully, can you please let me know.

Hi Alyson,
The folks on this forum are generally the nicest bunch of people you will come across. There tend to be 3 schools of thought as far as I can work out:
1. Portion control as advocated by the NHS - they generally advise patients according to the website diabetes.org.uk.
2. Low GI (see douglas99 amongst others who have had great results
3. LCHF. (See diet doctor - I have had great results. Diet doctor is one of the largest health blogs in Sweden and is the blog of Andreas Eenfeldt , who is a doctor in Sweden, specialising in obesity and diabetes)
Some people sort of combine some of the above.
Hope this helps and good luck!

 

[mo1905]

Yeah, well, you have to get some kind of energy from diet, you know, or you will starve to death eventually. I can´t see why fat should be avoided, but I have valid reasons to stay off carbs. And try to keep protein in the normal-low region to protect my kidneys.

I just wish someone could tell me what there is to be afraid of when it comes to fat.

Who is saying fat should be avoided ? You post but you don't look at others posts !


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[donnellysdogs]

I agree that if you need to look at your diet then high fat, high carb is not good.

I am the person here that advocates everything in moderation. It just seems that people do not know moderation nowadays.

Personally I thinkto be honest that it is only medicines and heart surgery etc that is extending the life span of us humans.... If we did not have these then far from the poor peoe dying from starvationin other countries... Our nations would have shorter living because of the high quantities of everything that is available.

Personally, i believe whole heartedly in moderation for eating.....our current pensioners have had extended lives from living through times when things were rationed and like my mum and stepdad they still dont eat large quantitys of anything. However, look around now at the younger generations where they only know "eat, drink nbe merry"- obesity and diabetes is because of the huge food qtys now available.

Learn to have a balanced, moderate diet without highs of anything and you can have a great life even though you may be diabetic.

Dont forget chemists can check your bloods as well.




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[DiamondAsh]

....our current pensioners have had extended lives from living through times when things were rationed and like my mum and stepdad they still dont eat large quantitys of anything.

That's a very good point... That includes my mom too, even though she's had Diabetes for 30 years.
My dad hated his Diabetes and loved his food (too much) he only lasted 6 months after diagnosis and died of heart attack.

 

[Totto]

Who is saying fat should be avoided ? You post but you don't look at others posts !


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I do, don't I? And everywhere it is Low Carb, OK, Low Fat OK, but High Fat is NOT Ok. And that leaves us with High Protein, bad idea IMO. While a high fat diet has no adverse effects at all.

High fat is the healthy option, if you stick to good fats and avoid the bad ones like rice bran oil, corn oil and such.

 

[mo1905]

I do, don't I? And everywhere it is Low Carb, OK, Low Fat OK, but High Fat is NOT Ok. And that leaves us with High Protein, bad idea IMO. While a high fat diet has no adverse effects at all.

High fat is the healthy option, if you stick to good fats and avoid the bad ones like rice bran oil, corn oil and such.

I still don't understand where we differ. I agree low carb=good, I have no problem with fats or proteins. I just don't agree with the word "high" ! Is that our only difference ?

 

[Totto]

I still don't understand where we differ. I agree low carb=good, I have no problem with fats or proteins. I just don't agree with the word "high" ! Is that our only difference ?

Probably. If everything else is low, something has to be high and as the only solution is fat, yes, high fat is good. High protein is not, high carb definitely bad.

Fats are healthy, essential and will not cause obesity nor high bg.

 

[mo1905]

Probably. If everything else is low, something has to be high and as the only solution is fat, yes, high fat is good. High protein is not, high carb definitely bad.

Fats are healthy, essential and will not cause obesity nor high bg.

I didn't say everything had to be low. I just said low carb lol ! We're so very close to shaking hands and sharing a fry up ! I don't believe anything has to be high, what is high anyway ? How much fat ? We could go on and on. I think we may have to just agree to disagree

 

[Andy12345]

or you could just say hi and walk on past

 

[Scandichic]

Probably. If everything else is low, something has to be high and as the only solution is fat, yes, high fat is good. High protein is not, high carb definitely bad.

Fats are healthy, essential and will not cause obesity nor high bg.

Hej på dej! Hur står det till? Have you ever plattoed? Have now lost 1 stone 2lbs and gained 4lbs back, having stayed the same for 2 weeks. Think water retention is problem but have also eaten lentils and beans in the evening. Feeling anxious as have hospital appointment on Friday and had hoped to have lost more weight to argue the LCHF approach. Hope your husband is on the mend! X

 

[Totto]

I didn't say everything had to be low. I just said low carb lol ! We're so very close to shaking hands and sharing a fry up ! I don't believe anything has to be high, what is high anyway ? How much fat ? We could go on and on. I think we may have to just agree to disagree

I would rather agree, but you keep shrinking away from fat. Why? I say a reasonable amount per day is 150-200 grams of fat, on a low-carb diet, as I think it wise for many reasons not to go too high in protein. As a diabetic on diet alone this may be of greater importance for me, as I can´t put any extra insulin into me. So low carb, HIGH FAT is a really good thing. And moderate protein.

 

[Totto]

Hej på dej! Hur står det till? Have you ever plattoed? Have now lost 1 stone 2lbs and gained 4lbs back, having stayed the same for 2 weeks. Think water retention is problem but have also eaten lentils and beans in the evening. Feeling anxious as have hospital appointment on Friday and had hoped to have lost more weight to argue the LCHF approach. Hope your husband is on the mend! X

I am trying to catch up on all the work I didn't manage in the winter, along with all the spring things to do AND we are selling a house brother and I inherited AND I have invited my neighbours for coffee on Sunday as it is my birthday so I have to make a LCHF cake and all the rest.

I must say enjoy myself hugely. I haven't had this energy for years, no, for decades. The best thing that could happen to me was to go strict LCHF. As to weight, I have dropped the weight I put on when on HRT patches in a couple of weeks, but I am not into this for weight loss, but for bg control.

 

[mo1905]

I would rather agree, but you keep shrinking away from fat. Why? I say a reasonable amount per day is 150-200 grams of fat, on a low-carb diet, as I think it wise for many reasons not to go too high in protein. As a diabetic on diet alone this may be of greater importance for me, as I can´t put any extra insulin into me. So low carb, HIGH FAT is a really good thing. And moderate protein.

OK, last post from me as I find I keep repeating myself. I am not shrinking away from fat. Where have I said that ? I eat fat all the time ! I just don't eat loads of fat. I don't have a high fat diet. That's not avoiding it. I play squash twice a week, that's doesn't mean I'm avoiding it just because I don't play 7 days a week ! i'm so happy you have found a great diet that you're comfortable with and works for you. I also think your passion for helping others is admirable. I just think that your opinion is not the only one.

 

[Totto]

I want to understand where we differ.

I know I get a bit passionate when it comes to fat as so many, including you, seem to be afraid of fat. To me, if you do low carb that means you have to go high fat. What other alternatives are there? Protein is not an option in the long run.

Sorry to be so opinionated, but I want to understand your take on nutrition and I don't, so far.

 

[Scandichic]

I am trying to catch up on all the work I didn't manage in the winter, along with all the spring things to do AND we are selling a house brother and I inherited AND I have invited my neighbours for coffee on Sunday as it is my birthday so I have to make a LCHF cake and all the rest.

I must say enjoy myself hugely. I haven't had this energy for years, no, for decades. The best thing that could happen to me was to go strict LCHF. As to weight, I have dropped the weight I put on when on HRT patches in a couple of weeks, but I am not into this for weight loss, but for bg control.

Sounds hectic but fun! What kind of cake? Are you doing anything else or is it going to be a chilled out one?

 

[Totto]

Sounds hectic but fun! What kind of cake? Are you doing anything else or is it going to be a chilled out one?

I think I will make a LC Schwarzwald cake and some coconut things for diabetics, and cinnamon rolls. We have half a fruit cake left over from Christmas as well. So friends over for coffee and cake on Sunday afternoon, that´s about it. Hubby and me will enjoy a nice meal, of course, but otherwise, no, too busy. I did the whole hog last year when I turned fifty.

 

[mo1905]

I want to understand where we differ.

I know I get a bit passionate when it comes to fat as so many, including you, seem to be afraid of fat. To me, if you do low carb that means you have to go high fat. What other alternatives are there? Protein is not an option in the long run.

Sorry to be so opinionated, but I want to understand your take on nutrition and I don't, so far.

Why do you keep saying "I'm afraid of fat" or "shrinking away from fat" ? Where do you get these thoughts from ? Where have I mentioned this ?
Being passionate is a positive, I'm happy with opinionated too but another great quality is accepting. Just accept your diet and opinion is not the only one. When you ask where we differ it's easy. Our opinion of low carb is different. I'm pretty sure I eat more carbs than you, approx 120g per day. To you this may be moderate ? Not sure. Anyway, to me, it's a lot lower than I used to eat. Therefore, I don't need to eat high amounts of fat. 150-200g of fat a day suits you. That's fine. It doesn't suit me. That doesn't mean I'm afraid of fat or anything of the sort. It simply means I eat less fat than you. Why can't you accept how others choose to live ? Have I ever told you to change the way you eat ? No. If you asked me for advice, I'd offer it. However, if you chose to ignore it, I wouldn't continually tell you you're wrong ! Do you understand now where we differ ?

 

[Totto]

Maybe I just envy people like you who can eat as much as up to 120 grams of carbs per day?