I'm a new type 2

jonesy79

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Hello

I was diagnosed 2 days ago with type 2 and had a chat with our practice nurse about the situation.

What she didn't make clear to me on reflection is what do I eat???

I am not overweight so is it just watching my sugar intake and that is it? carry on as I was?

Probably not drinking 5 bottles of orange Lucozade and 5 cans of coke to kill the thirst will help to start as that's what I drank 1 night last week o_O and tbh I now prefer sweeteners to sugar!!

Regards

Joney79
 

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Hello

I was diagnosed 2 days ago with type 2 and had a chat with our practice nurse about the situation.

What she didn't make clear to me on reflection is what do I eat???

I am not overweight so is it just watching my sugar intake and that is it? carry on as I was?

Probably not drinking 5 bottles of orange Lucozade and 5 cans of coke to kill the thirst will help to start as that's what I drank 1 night last week o_O and tbh I now prefer sweeteners to sugar!!

Regards

Joney79
Welcome to the forum. @daisy1 has some info she posts for people new to the forum, including some ideas about food.

Sugar won't help your blood glucose (BG) management one bit, but carbohydrates turn to sugar in the body so you may need to reduce those as well. Many of us have found it necessary to do that.

Since you're not overweight and you've had major thirst symptoms, are you sure the diagnosis of T2 is correct? Do you know what your HbA1c or fasting blood glucose test results were?
 

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Short form is that artificial sweeteners are evil one way or another so limit them.
I don't wish to derail Jonesy's thread, but if you could maybe start a new thread or send me a PM, I'd like to know more about your claim that artificial sweeteners are "evil", preferably with links to sources. Thanks.
 
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Redsnapper

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Hey Jonesy. Stick around here and you will not go far wrong. A great resource of not only knowledge but actual experience of living with diabetes.Have a read around.Great advice on how to deal with your HCP's to get the best out of them.Fantastic advice on diet and exercise to manage the condition.Get a meter.
I learnt 99% of what I know from here, and knowledge is power.
It's a lot to take on board at first but does get easier.Any questions just ask.No question too silly,we are a friendly bunch!
Oh and get hold of your test results from your G.P. You need them to monitor future progress.Don't be fobbed off they are your results and you are entitled to them.
 
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jonesy79

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Since you're not overweight and you've had major thirst symptoms, are you sure the diagnosis of T2 is correct? Do you know what your HbA1c or fasting blood glucose test results were?[/QUOTE]

To be honest I'm not sure the diagnosis is correct and even mentioned this to the nurse who was willing to and is going to get the test done again. There was just too many numbers being shoved at me that I cannot remember them!!
I went to the docs to start with over the pain in my lower legs and feet and thought I had gout it was then when I was researching it that I came across a 15 points towards diabetes test and out of the 15 I could relate to 14!!
I had been drinking a lot of fluids and knew this was 1 symptom of diabetes so I had my blood tested for that and vitamin D deficiency both came back positive.

Also bare this in mind...after seeing an article about statins in the news papers a few weeks ago (it took a couple of weeks to get to see the phlebotomist and then to get the results) I stopped taking simvastatin and the pains in my legs have now ceased and when I told my doc I had stopped he didn't bat an eyelid though the practice nurse wants me to take them again. I told her no chance!!

regards

Jonesy79
 
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ButtterflyLady

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Since you're not overweight and you've had major thirst symptoms, are you sure the diagnosis of T2 is correct? Do you know what your HbA1c or fasting blood glucose test results were?

To be honest I'm not sure the diagnosis is correct and even mentioned this to the nurse who was willing to and is going to get the test done again. There was just too many numbers being shoved at me that I cannot remember them!!
I went to the docs to start with over the pain in my lower legs and feet and thought I had gout it was then when I was researching it that I came across a 15 points towards diabetes test and out of the 15 I could relate to 14!!
I had been drinking a lot of fluids and knew this was 1 symptom of diabetes so I had my blood tested for that and vitamin D deficiency both came back positive.

Also bare this in mind...after seeing an article about statins in the news papers a few weeks ago (it took a couple of weeks to get to see the phlebotomist and then to get the results) I stopped taking simvastatin and the pains in my legs have now ceased and when I told my doc I had stopped he didn't bat an eyelid though the practice nurse wants me to take them again. I told her no chance!!

regards

Jonesy79
I'm glad the test is being repeated. It's a good idea to ask for a printout of any blood test results, partly as a way to double check that they didn't miss anything. Also good for future comparison. There are other tests they can do to try and decide which type of diabetes you have, but you should get a fair idea once you have your results of the first ones.

I'm glad you reconsidered the statin... I am very skeptical about the need to prescribe them to every diabetic, or actually to anyone who doesn't have sky high triglycerides and LDL cholesterol levels.
 
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I do not know how to start a new thread.

I do not know how to PM anyone and don't know what PM means.

My personal opinion on artificial sweeteners is based on massive doses of cyclamates and saccharine causing tumors, Splenda causing depression especially in women, Aspartame causing temporary blindness especially in summer, the fact that many pediatricians post these side effects in their offices to deter their use/

Personally use the first two on occasion, avoid the other two. Like agave syrup, dislike the aftertaste of stevia/truvia

Am newbie myself, type 2 since 2001
I'm not sure if you are using a phone or PC so it's hard for me to explain how you start a thread. PM means private message, which is a way of contacting someone on the forum without the conversation being public.

To save time, I've taken the liberty of starting a new thread about artificial sweeteners. You don't have to post in it if you don't want to, but I'm happy to continue the discussion there if you or anyone else wants to.
http://www.diabetes.co.uk/forum/threads/artificial-sweeteners-for-and-against.85985/
 
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daisy1

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@jonesy79

Hello and welcome to the forum :) Here is the information we give to new members and I hope you will find it useful. Ask as many questions as you like and someone will be able to help. You have come to the right place!


BASIC INFORMATION FOR NEWLY DIAGNOSED DIABETICS

Diabetes is the general term to describe people who have blood that is sweeter than normal. A number of different types of diabetes exist.

A diagnosis of diabetes tends to be a big shock for most of us. It’s far from the end of the world though and on this forum you’ll find over 150,000 people who are demonstrating this.

On the forum we have found that with the number of new people being diagnosed with diabetes each day, sometimes the NHS is not being able to give all the advice it would perhaps like to deliver - particularly with regards to people with type 2 diabetes.

The role of carbohydrate

Carbohydrates are a factor in diabetes because they ultimately break down into sugar (glucose) within our blood. We then need enough insulin to either convert the blood sugar into energy for our body, or to store the blood sugar as body fat.

If the amount of carbohydrate we take in is more than our body’s own (or injected) insulin can cope with, then our blood sugar will rise.

The bad news

Research indicates that raised blood sugar levels over a period of years can lead to organ damage, commonly referred to as diabetic complications.

The good news

People on the forum here have shown that there is plenty of opportunity to keep blood sugar levels from going too high. It’s a daily task but it’s within our reach and it’s well worth the effort.

Controlling your carbs

The info below is primarily aimed at people with type 2 diabetes, however, it may also be of benefit for other types of diabetes as well.
There are two approaches to controlling your carbs:

  • Reduce your carbohydrate intake
  • Choose ‘better’ carbohydrates

Reduce your carbohydrates

A large number of people on this forum have chosen to reduce the amount of carbohydrates they eat as they have found this to be an effective way of improving (lowering) their blood sugar levels.

The carbohydrates which tend to have the most pronounced effect on blood sugar levels tend to be starchy carbohydrates such as rice, pasta, bread, potatoes and similar root vegetables, flour based products (pastry, cakes, biscuits, battered food etc) and certain fruits.

Choosing better carbohydrates

Another option is to replace ‘white carbohydrates’ (such as white bread, white rice, white flour etc) with whole grain varieties. The idea behind having whole grain varieties is that the carbohydrates get broken down slower than the white varieties –and these are said to have a lower glycaemic index.
http://www.diabetes.co.uk/food/diabetes-and-whole-grains.html

The low glycaemic index diet is often favoured by healthcare professionals but some people with diabetes find that low GI does not help their blood sugar enough and may wish to cut out these foods altogether.

Read more on carbohydrates and diabetes

Eating what works for you

Different people respond differently to different types of food. What works for one person may not work so well for another. The best way to see which foods are working for you is to test your blood sugar with a glucose meter.

To be able to see what effect a particular type of food or meal has on your blood sugar is to do a test before the meal and then test after the meal. A test 2 hours after the meal gives a good idea of how your body has reacted to the meal.

The blood sugar ranges recommended by NICE are as follows:

Blood glucose ranges for type 2 diabetes
  • Before meals: 4 to 7 mmol/l
  • 2 hours after meals: under 8.5 mmol/l
Blood glucose ranges for type 1 diabetes (adults)
  • Before meals: 4 to 7 mmol/l
  • 2 hours after meals: under 9 mmol/l
Blood glucose ranges for type 1 diabetes (children)
  • Before meals: 4 to 8 mmol/l
  • 2 hours after meals: under 10 mmol/l
However, those that are able to, may wish to keep blood sugar levels below the NICE after meal targets.

Access to blood glucose test strips

The NICE guidelines suggest that people newly diagnosed with type 2 diabetes should be offered:

  • structured education to every person and/or their carer at and around the time of diagnosis, with annual reinforcement and review
  • self-monitoring of plasma glucose to a person newly diagnosed with type 2 diabetes only as an integral part of his or her self-management education

Therefore both structured education and self-monitoring of blood glucose should be offered to people with type 2 diabetes. Read more on getting access to bloodglucose testing supplies.

You may also be interested to read questions to ask at a diabetic clinic

Note: This post has been edited from Sue/Ken's post to include up to date information.
 

Daibell

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Hi. As others have said, keep all the carbs down and have enough protein, fats and veg to make you feel full. Opinions on artificial sweeteners vary and you need to make up your own mind. I've been using them for years.
 
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