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<blockquote data-quote="Brunneria" data-source="post: 643867" data-attributes="member: 41816"><p>Heck, I am not enjoying writing this.</p><p>But Jack, I'm sorry. Your links don't prove anything.</p><p></p><p>Your first link is a press release - and we all know how they blur and fudge the facts.</p><p>Your second link is to Newcastle University, not the study, or even the department which did the study.</p><p>And the third link is talking about a future, bigger study, based on the original pilot, and gives a general over-view and then advises people NOT to follow the Newcastle Diet until the results of the 5 year larger study are released, because they have not yet established the long term effects.</p><p></p><p>Here is a link to the academic department that ran the study, with additional links directly aimed at diabetics.</p><p><a href="http://www.ncl.ac.uk/magres/research/diabetes/reversal.htm" target="_blank">http://www.ncl.ac.uk/magres/research/diabetes/reversal.htm</a></p><p>If anyone has a link to the actual study itself, then I would love to read it, but I have just ploughed through 3 pages of a google search which contained nothing but hearsay, claims and press releases.</p><p></p><p>I am posting this because it shows just how important it is that we get our facts straight. Our links right. And that we don't rely on second and third hand blogs, press releases and superficial interpretations as sources of info.</p><p>If we are going to post 'facts' they should be backed with references, or they should be unspecific and based on personal experience.</p><p></p><p>sorry that this is a rant. But this is how rumours, urban myths and dietary f*ck*ps get into the mainstream.</p><p>Remember that nonsense about how Atkins diet of a heart attack?</p><p>No he didn't. All nonsense. But no one bothered to actually check the FACTS before they peddled the myth.</p></blockquote><p></p>
[QUOTE="Brunneria, post: 643867, member: 41816"] Heck, I am not enjoying writing this. But Jack, I'm sorry. Your links don't prove anything. Your first link is a press release - and we all know how they blur and fudge the facts. Your second link is to Newcastle University, not the study, or even the department which did the study. And the third link is talking about a future, bigger study, based on the original pilot, and gives a general over-view and then advises people NOT to follow the Newcastle Diet until the results of the 5 year larger study are released, because they have not yet established the long term effects. Here is a link to the academic department that ran the study, with additional links directly aimed at diabetics. [url]http://www.ncl.ac.uk/magres/research/diabetes/reversal.htm[/url] If anyone has a link to the actual study itself, then I would love to read it, but I have just ploughed through 3 pages of a google search which contained nothing but hearsay, claims and press releases. I am posting this because it shows just how important it is that we get our facts straight. Our links right. And that we don't rely on second and third hand blogs, press releases and superficial interpretations as sources of info. If we are going to post 'facts' they should be backed with references, or they should be unspecific and based on personal experience. sorry that this is a rant. But this is how rumours, urban myths and dietary f*ck*ps get into the mainstream. Remember that nonsense about how Atkins diet of a heart attack? No he didn't. All nonsense. But no one bothered to actually check the FACTS before they peddled the myth. [/QUOTE]
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