Medtronic 780g + Guardian 4

**shell**

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Hi

Ive been approved funding to have the 780g with the Guardian 4. All the gear is actually sitting in my spare room waiting for an appointment with the Rep to set me all up... It's like tangling a carrot!!

I've been looking for some genuine/honest experiences and advice when first going onto this set up (I'm already a Medtronic pump user with the 640g) but can't seem to find anything but Medtronics advertising and people who are clearly affiliated with them.

Can anyone offer anything? I worried I've bigged it's capabilities up and really, experience should tell me that with diabetes technology there is always a catch or something that's not quite good enough.

TiA
Shell x
 

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Hi Shell. I haven’t posted for a long time but I went from a 640 to a 780 with CGM in June and I’m in the 0.01% which can call it a nightmare! I loved my 640 which was my first pump and couldn’t believe how smooth running it was after 22 years on MDI after getting all my basal patterns set. So when I was due for a new pump I immediately went with the 780 and the CGM smart guard mode I’d been waiting for for so long. Since June, I’ve had: 4 nights where it hasn’t woken me for calibration, 0 times the CGM has lasted for the full 7 days, 6 times it hasn’t even lasted the minimum 5 days and I’ve had to get a warranty replacement, 50 phone calls from Medtronic people trying to piece it together because it works for everyone and not sure why it doesn’t for me…. My endo is about ready to put me back into manual mode because my control was so much better then. Just in that clinic there is two others that Smartguard mode doesn’t work for so it’s not for everyone. To me it is life controlling every waking minute and the 85% less decisions that Medtronic claim Smartguard eliminates is so wrong it’s not funny. You may be better off with G4 as it doesn’t require calibration but don’t expect it to be set and forget, the CGM is way behind libre in my opinion. Sorry, I hope my reply hasn’t burst your bubble too much! But honest is honest….
 

LauraR88

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Hi Shell,

I have had the 780g with Guardian 4 since May this year and I can say it has made a massive difference for me. My bloods weren’t bad before hand but they also weren’t amazing. I work all kinds of shifts so it has been hard for me to find a routine but since having the guardian 4 it’s taken away a lot of my stress and worry. I’m just speaking from my experience as I am sure everyone’s opinions will differ depending on many factors. If I had to pick one fault it would be that I can’t do a dual bolus, but in the grand scheme of things it’s not a massive issue. I’ve never had any issues with sensors not lasting and find that they also stick quite well.

Hope you get to start it soon and if you have any questions I’ll be happy to help if I can x
 

Nicola M

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I have a 780g with Guardian 3 at the moment (soon to be Guardian 4 once I use my 3 sensors up) but they basically work the same, I was part of the NHS trial for hybrid closed loop with this system. I was on a Medtronic pump previous to this so I was already familiar with how the pump worked and I liked Medtronic and would have stuck with it if I hadn’t of been on this trial.

I can honestly say it is the best thing I have ever used/been on. My hba1c went from 78 (ish) to 43 in about 3 months through using auto mode. I am still using it almost a year later and my sugars have been the best they’ve ever been in years, I am in range roughly 70% of the time every single day. I know with the Guardian 4 they say you don’t need to calibrate but personally I would still calibrate at least 1-2 times a day to keep everything in check. Before Guardian I was on the freestyle libre and the amount of times my sugars were completely different to what the libre said they were was awful, I have found the Guardian to be a lot more accurate. As someone who has never used a Medtronic CGM before or heard what it was capable of I am pleasantly surprised.
 

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Having started this thread wondering what people's experiences were with the combination of Medtronic 780g pump and Guardian 4 I thought I had best include some information and my initial thoughts having been set up last Monday (a week and a bit ago). Hopefully someone will find it useful.

So the 780g is almost an exact replica of my previous 640g when not using any of the additional features. It's the same size, same weight (although not checked), still runs off a AA battery. The buttons and symbols are slightly different and perhaps a little easier to navigate but ultimately identical.

Firstly a little note on the consumables... I had been using the mini med quick set and after being ordered the Mio Advanced I am converted!! Gone are the rather clunky inserters with the Mio being a single use inserter (admittedly not great for the environment) the connection to the cannula is smaller with no sharp edges to cut my fingers open with. The reservoirs remain the same. For anyone reading who usually uses the quick sets, I would.l suggest giving the others a go if you can.

So down to the Guardian 4. It is a bit fiddley to insert as there are two parts the transmitter and the sensor. When inserted there is a considerable amount of tape to hold it in place making it quite clinical looking compared to the libre (I am considering buying some funky tape). It also only lasts 7 days before it needs changed. Before a new sensor is inserted the transmitter needs charged for approximately 20 minutes and once started it takes two hours to warm up. However once up and running it will read your bloods every 5 minutes with no need to scan, when using the app you can see the graph, otherwise the readings are available on you pump home screen. When bolusing you will have to include your glucose reading separate (either by using the sensor glucose or monitor) before the wizard can do it's part. A very useful function is suspension of your insulin when your CGM records a downwards trend heading towards a hypo, I noticed it stop a few hypos. This, I have recently noticed is not available in Smart Guard :(

Now the Holy Grail that is SmartGuard. Once you have worn your sensor for the very first 48 hours after your first midnight (does that make sense?) you can activate SmartGuard. Visually this will change your home screen on your pump to a shield with your SG reading. Since using it I've found my time in target to be typically around 80% (I'm heading to 48 hours at 100%!). On a perfect day you only need to use your pump for bolus and to set a temp target (replacement for temp basal), you can also use your SG when doing a bolus in this mode. Admittedly it hasn't all been plain sailing, my sensor failed on day 6 so required an early change, then that night my pump alerted me to 18 separate alarms which at times meant I had to do blood glucose checks due to calibrations, inaccurate readings, failed calibrations etc. I did have a moment of it feeling too good to have been true but it's behaved itself since and now feels like a small price to pay for the advantages it's giving me.

Last but not least... The app. Now I really wish you could submit boluses through the app but alas, this still needs to go though the pump. You also need to clear any alerts through the pump which can be a bit of a nuisance. The app does however link to your Medtronic account and uploads your data once a day automatically meaning one other less thing you have to do!

Overall, although there are a few annoyances I have found the set up life changing. After years of feeling like a failure for not achieving optimal HbA1cs and a consistent undercurrent of guilt for not being a 'good' diabetic this has given me the confidence and support to hopefully improve my health.

Michelle x
 
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Hi Shell

I am with you on LOVING the 780G and Guardian 4 Sensor. I’ve been on it since January this year. I’ve always had a tough time with my blood sugars, even to the point of having to surrender my driving licence for a year in the past. I’ve been diabetic for 40+ years. My recent review with my Diabetic Specialust was my best ever, with an HBA1c of 53, a personal best. I hardly ever get asked to do a manual blood sugar test on the 780G and no nighttime alarms, so peace at last.

I’m about to get a new mobile phone and wondered if you or anyone else could recommend which phone works best with the Medtronics App. My phone has been too old to be able to use the App, so I’ve been doing manual uploads.

I am so happy with the 780G and Guardian 4 sensor and feel it has improved my life in such an amazing way. Hoorah.
 

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Does anybody know if the 780 with g4 and smart guard always asks for collaboration after a sensor change?
We changed sensor tonight only after one day as the placing was uncomfortable for my 10year old son (too skinny so transmitter was poking him in the ribs) and it never asked for collaboration prick test!
Has anyone else had this?
 

Nicola M

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Does anybody know if the 780 with g4 and smart guard always asks for collaboration after a sensor change?
We changed sensor tonight only after one day as the placing was uncomfortable for my 10year old son (too skinny so transmitter was poking him in the ribs) and it never asked for collaboration prick test!
Has anyone else had this?
Mine rarely asks for a calibration if I don’t come out of smartguard during the change from one sensor to another. I still personally calibrate pretty regularly to keep everything in check though.
 

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Hi, can I ask were any of you using the Dexcom before swapping over to the G4? I’m due to get my 780 in February
I currently use the Dexcom but feel if this new pump is as good as it sounds on paper then I should get the G4 to go with it
 

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I assume you're self funding Dexcom, and have been refused G4 sensors on the NHS? What have your endo team said about it?
 

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I do self fund my Dexcom, I was told by my nurse & Medtronic rep that I will have to pay for the guardian 4 sensor if I want it. Is this correct?
 

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This is a summary that @oldgreymare gave in another post -

According to the current NHS drug tariff the following devices can be prescribed by either a GP or a consultant to ANY Type 1. So these are the ones that are 'on offer' in line with the latest NICE guidance.

Libre 2
Dexcom One
GlucoRx Aidex
Glucomen Day

At least according to my county's CCG Policy only a specialist consultant can prescribe the following CGMs and patients are subject to much more stringent criteria (chronic hypos, severe hypo unawareness, poor control in spite of pump use, etc) before these will be considered. While this Policy is due to be updated, I suspect in practice it will wait until the new NICE closed loop guidance is finalised during 2023 to incorporate that as well. So I will be pleasantly surprised if this Policy is updated before 2024...

Libre 3
Dexcom G6
Dexcom G7
Medtronic Guardian Connect (but I think this is only available if issued together with a Medtronic pump)

The G6 and Medtronic Guardian can be used for closed loop systems with compatible pumps, but L3 and G7 are still under testing for this.

However, in practice there is huge variation in what different CCGs (and individual clinics within CCGs) may currently routinely use and be willing to prescribe. For years it appears that Abbott Libre had the majority of NHS CGM business, but Dexcom has appeared as a recent competitor. The Libre2 and Dexcom One cost the NHS the same, G6 and G7 would be substantially more expensive.
 

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So it looks like I’ll be paying for a while if I decide to use the guardian 4
Is this guardian 4 the way to go with this new pump? As in the sensor & pump are closed loop system
 

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Many people use the Medtronic 780g as a stand alone pump, but yes if you want a hybrid closed loop with this pump, the only sensor you can use is the guardian 4.
 
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I thought the point of the pump alongside the guardian sensor was that you let the pump do it’s thing so you can take you’re hand off the steering wheel sort of thing?! For example corrections or if your numbers were dropping it would reduce your insulin
 

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As far as I know the m780g can use either G3 which lasts 3 days or G4 for 7 days.
It maybe easier to get funding for the G3.
 

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I thought the point of the pump alongside the guardian sensor was that you let the pump do it’s thing so you can take you’re hand off the steering wheel sort of thing?! For example corrections or if your numbers were dropping it would reduce your insulin
This is essentially what hybrid closed looping does. You can either use the G3 or G4 the only difference between them is that the G4 doesn’t ask for calibrations. They both last for 7 days. Might be easier to get funding for the G3, I was lucky that I went onto the G4 as I was already on the G3 so it seems they just automatically switched me. It basically reads your blood sugar every 5 minutes and sends that information to your pump, it’s forever learning about your insulin needs and so in a way no two days are the same my insulin daily dose can vary a lot at times. It gives me extra insulin if I’m starting to go above my target range and stops giving me insulin if it thinks I’m going to be dropping low soon. It also works out your basal based on your blood sugar to always keep you in range. The only thing you input is carbs so it can give insulin at meal times. Here is a snapshot of it doing its thing. Pink lines are basal and blue lines are where it has given me a bolus as I’m going above my target :)
 

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This is essentially what hybrid closed looping does. You can either use the G3 or G4 the only difference between them is that the G4 doesn’t ask for calibrations. They both last for 7 days. Might be easier to get funding for the G3, I was lucky that I went onto the G4 as I was already on the G3 so it seems they just automatically switched me. It basically reads your blood sugar every 5 minutes and sends that information to your pump, it’s forever learning about your insulin needs and so in a way no two days are the same my insulin daily dose can vary a lot at times. It gives me extra insulin if I’m starting to go above my target range and stops giving me insulin if it thinks I’m going to be dropping low soon. It also works out your basal based on your blood sugar to always keep you in range. The only thing you input is carbs so it can give insulin at meal times. Here is a snapshot of it doing its thing. Pink lines are basal and blue lines are where it has given me a bolus as I’m going above my target :)

Thank you
Good to have a users feedback. I will ask my nurse about the g3, what would you say is the difference between the g4 & g3-is it just the g3 needs calibration?