Totally confused by GP today

michaelf

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Hello out there
I have almost zero knowledge of this subject, but went to my |GP for blood test results after having suffered UTI pain and infection and fatigue for 2 months
He asked me jif I had a sweet tooth and that the HBA1c test came back with a 43 reading and that I had pre diabetes!!
All my other blood tests were normal and I left
I went on this website and I haven't a clue what to do now
Yes I have frequent urination which I assumed was some form of urinary tract infection
Yes I am exhausted every day
I cant work out whether these symptoms are UTI or pre diabetes
Any advice on what it is sensible to do from now on as this is day 1 of the diagnosis and I am panicking
 

archersuz

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@michaelf Don't panic! There is plenty of information on this site to help you, and soooooo many people offering excellent support and advice. Have a read of the forums and ask any questions you need answered. Welcome!
 

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You’ve come to the right place, so many people here to help you. First I’ll tag in @daisy1 who’ll post loads of useful links for you. Can you tell us what a typical day’s menu is? From there we can help sort out which bits might need eliminating or reducing.
 
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Alison Campbell

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Welcome to the forum @michaelf, lots of us prediabetes about, some have more symptoms than others. Frequent UTI and tiredness are definately symptoms that will pass as your blood sugars fall. No need to panic as you can turn this around.

Tagging @daisy1 for a new member post to be added here tomorrow.

There is a bit to learn and some decisions to make going forward but again no need to panic.
 
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michaelf

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Thankyou for prompt reply
I am in shock because yesterday I was just someone who was generally ill with no diagnosis, and today some GP let me out of his office without explaining how to deal with pre diabetes
I am going through this forum posts to better understand
thanks again
 

michaelf

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Maybe I am in denial, but I cant help thinking that one blood test result of 43(idont know exactly what that figure is sopposed to prove) means that I have pre diabetes
I suddenly have to confront the fact that all the food I love is bad for me and I don't like it!!!
I am totally shocked by today and hope that tomorrow it will all sink in because I never even imagined that I had a serious illness
I am really grateful to all of your replies and I am sure you remember how shocked you were when first told about this illness,and I am shocked!!!
 

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Maybe I am in denial, but I cant help thinking that one blood test result of 43(idont know exactly what that figure is sopposed to prove) means that I have pre diabetes
I suddenly have to confront the fact that all the food I love is bad for me and I don't like it!!!
I am totally shocked by today and hope that tomorrow it will all sink in because I never even imagined that I had a serious illness
I am really grateful to all of your replies and I am sure you remember how shocked you were when first told about this illness,and I am shocked!!!

Yes I'm afraid we have all been there although for me personally it wasn't exactly a surprise.
So first things first what are your fave foods? Lets see if we can dispel some myths about what to eat.
Secondly your blood sugar levels over the past three or so months have been a bit higher than they should be (this is what the result of 43 is telling you) so you could do yourself (and your health) a huge favour by getting them lower.
This is usually best and most easily achieved by cutting some carbohydrate from your diet. Things like potatoes, rice, pasta, bread and obviously sugar. Starchy stuff that isn't really very nice anyway and just fills you with stodge also makes your blood sugar go up.
 

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Hi @michaelf and welcome to the club!

It is a shock when first diagnosed, but you have arrived at the right place for all the information and support you need. With an HbA1c of 43 you should have no problem reversing this and dropping back to non-diabetic blood sugar levels. All you have to do now is take a few deep breaths, read round the forum posts, read Daisy's introduction post when she arrives with it, and take particular note of the role of carbohydrate in controlling diabetes. There is no rush. Take your time ..... and ask as many questions as you like.
 

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Hi @michaelf and welcome to the club!

It is a shock when first diagnosed, but you have arrived at the right place for all the information and support you need. With an HbA1c of 43 you should have no problem reversing this and dropping back to non-diabetic blood sugar levels. All you have to do now is take a few deep breaths, read round the forum posts, read Daisy's introduction post when she arrives with it, and take particular note of the role of carbohydrate in controlling diabetes. There is no rush. Take your time ..... and ask as many questions as you like.
What a team...
 

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Maybe I am in denial, but I cant help thinking that one blood test result of 43(idont know exactly what that figure is sopposed to prove) means that I have pre diabetes
I suddenly have to confront the fact that all the food I love is bad for me and I don't like it!!!
I am totally shocked by today and hope that tomorrow it will all sink in because I never even imagined that I had a serious illness
I am really grateful to all of your replies and I am sure you remember how shocked you were when first told about this illness,and I am shocked!!!
I remember very vividly how I felt on the day I was diagnosed, in fact my first post was entitled “Shell Shocked”. Please be assured with info and time, you’ll feel a whole lot better x
 

NewTD2

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Hello out there
I have almost zero knowledge of this subject, but went to my |GP for blood test results after having suffered UTI pain and infection and fatigue for 2 months
He asked me jif I had a sweet tooth and that the HBA1c test came back with a 43 reading and that I had pre diabetes!!
All my other blood tests were normal and I left
I went on this website and I haven't a clue what to do now
Yes I have frequent urination which I assumed was some form of urinary tract infection
Yes I am exhausted every day
I cant work out whether these symptoms are UTI or pre diabetes
Any advice on what it is sensible to do from now on as this is day 1 of the diagnosis and I am panicking

You are in a good position to control your blood sugar levels and ‘reverse’ it before it becomes a full blown diabetes.

Eliminate carbohydrates from your diet (potatoes, bread, pasta, noodles, flour and all foods that contains sugar found in sauces, canned foods, milk, processed foods, fizzy drinks, take ways etc.)

Adapt “low carb high fat diet”...

https://www.lowcarbprogram.com/
 
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ringi

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I cant work out whether these symptoms are UTI or pre diabetes

In both cases drinking a lot of water helps flush out the system.

As to "pre diabetes" or mild Type2, in both cases avoiding all sugar and reducing the other carbohydrate in your diet is the solution. (All carbs turn to sugar when we eat them.)
 

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Hi and welcome, yes it does come as shock, but for me the upside is since changing my way of eating to LCHF (I don't call it a diet) I feel so much better. Lighter in my step, in all senses of the word, in some ways being told by my DSN "You're diabetic" was the kick up the proverbial I needed. She was wrong by the way, I just don't handle carbs very well. All the best and fight it, follow the advice on this forum and in 6 months you will be a new person!
 
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Maybe I am in denial, but I cant help thinking that one blood test result of 43(idont know exactly what that figure is sopposed to prove) means that I have pre diabetes
I suddenly have to confront the fact that all the food I love is bad for me and I don't like it!!!
I am totally shocked by today and hope that tomorrow it will all sink in because I never even imagined that I had a serious illness
I am really grateful to all of your replies and I am sure you remember how shocked you were when first told about this illness,and I am shocked!!!
A pre diabetes diagnosis indicates you have lost around 50% of your beta cells. The diabetes diagnosis indicates the loss of around 80% of them. You will come across quite a lot of discussion relating to the possibility of these cells regenerating themselves. The suggestion is that early diagnosis and immediate action to turn the situation around could yield positive results. It could be that the beta cells will not be able to regenerate if they have spent a prolonged period in a high blood glucose environment.
 
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Mr_Pot

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A pre diabetes diagnosis indicates you have lost around 50% of your beta cells. The diabetes diagnosis indicates the loss of around 80% of them.
My understanding is that Type 2 is some combination of loss of Insulin production and Insulin resistance. Your statement would seem to disregard Insulin resistance and implies that what Type 2's need is more Insulin. This seems to be contrary to a large body of opinion that says that the control and reversal of Type 2 comes from reduction of Insulin. If I have lost 80% of my beta cells I am surprised a moderately low carb diet has achieved normal HbA1c results.
 

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2michaelf

Hello Michael and welcome to the Forum :) Here is the Basic Information we give to new members and I hope you will find it interesting and useful. Ask as many questions as you want and someone will be able to help.


BASIC INFORMATION FOR NEWLY DIAGNOSED DIABETICS

Diabetes is the general term to describe people who have blood that is sweeter than normal. A number of different types of diabetes exist.

A diagnosis of diabetes tends to be a big shock for most of us. It’s far from the end of the world though and on this forum you'll find well over 235,000 people who are demonstrating this.

On the forum we have found that with the number of new people being diagnosed with diabetes each day, sometimes the NHS is not being able to give all the advice it would perhaps like to deliver - particularly with regards to people with type 2 diabetes.

The role of carbohydrate

Carbohydrates are a factor in diabetes because they ultimately break down into sugar (glucose) within our blood. We then need enough insulin to either convert the blood sugar into energy for our body, or to store the blood sugar as body fat.

If the amount of carbohydrate we take in is more than our body’s own (or injected) insulin can cope with, then our blood sugar will rise.

The bad news

Research indicates that raised blood sugar levels over a period of years can lead to organ damage, commonly referred to as diabetic complications.

The good news

People on the forum here have shown that there is plenty of opportunity to keep blood sugar levels from going too high. It’s a daily task but it’s within our reach and it’s well worth the effort.

Controlling your carbs

The info below is primarily aimed at people with type 2 diabetes, however, it may also be of benefit for other types of diabetes as well.

There are two approaches to controlling your carbs:
  • Reduce your carbohydrate intake
  • Choose ‘better’ carbohydrates
Reduce your carbohydrates

A large number of people on this forum have chosen to reduce the amount of carbohydrates they eat as they have found this to be an effective way of improving (lowering) their blood sugar levels.

The carbohydrates which tend to have the most pronounced effect on blood sugar levels tend to be starchy carbohydrates such as rice, pasta, bread, potatoes and similar root vegetables, flour based products (pastry, cakes, biscuits, battered food etc) and certain fruits.

Choosing better carbohydrates

The low glycaemic index diet is often favoured by healthcare professionals but some people with diabetes find that low GI does not help their blood sugar enough and may wish to cut out these foods altogether.

Read more on carbohydrates and diabetes.

Over 145,000 people have taken part in the Low Carb Program - a 10 week structured education course that is helping people lose weight and reduce medication dependency by explaining the science behind carbs, insulin and GI.

Eating what works for you

Different people respond differently to different types of food. What works for one person may not work so well for another. The best way to see which foods are working for you is to test your blood sugar with a glucose meter.

To be able to see what effect a particular type of food or meal has on your blood sugar is to do a test before the meal and then test after the meal. A test 2 hours after the meal gives a good idea of how your body has reacted to the meal.

The blood sugar ranges recommended by NICE are as follows:

Blood glucose ranges for type 2 diabetes
  • Before meals: 4 to 7 mmol/l
  • 2 hours after meals: under 8.5 mmol/l
Blood glucose ranges for type 1 diabetes (adults)
  • Before meals: 4 to 7 mmol/l
  • 2 hours after meals: under 9 mmol/l
Blood glucose ranges for type 1 diabetes (children)
  • Before meals: 4 to 8 mmol/l
  • 2 hours after meals: under 10 mmol/l
However, those that are able to, may wish to keep blood sugar levels below the NICE after meal targets.

Access to blood glucose test strips

The NICE guidelines suggest that people newly diagnosed with type 2 diabetes should be offered:
  • structured education to every person and/or their carer at and around the time of diagnosis, with annual reinforcement and review
  • self-monitoring of plasma glucose to a person newly diagnosed with type 2 diabetes only as an integral part of his or her self-management education

Therefore both structured education and self-monitoring of blood glucose should be offered to people with type 2 diabetes. Read more on getting access to blood glucose testing supplies.

You may also be interested to read questions to ask at a diabetic clinic.

Note: This post has been edited from Sue/Ken's post to include up to date information.
Take part in Diabetes.co.uk digital education programs and improve your understanding. Most of these are free.

  • Low Carb Program - it's made front-page news of the New Scientist and The Times. Developed with 20,000 people with type 2 diabetes; 96% of people who take part recommend it... find out why

  • Hypo Program - improve your understanding of hypos. There's a version for people with diabetes, parents/guardians of children with type 1, children with type 1 diabetes, teachers and HCPs.
 

michaelf

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2michaelf

Hello Michael and welcome to the Forum :) Here is the Basic Information we give to new members and I hope you will find it interesting and useful. Ask as many questions as you want and someone will be able to help.


BASIC INFORMATION FOR NEWLY DIAGNOSED DIABETICS

Diabetes is the general term to describe people who have blood that is sweeter than normal. A number of different types of diabetes exist.

A diagnosis of diabetes tends to be a big shock for most of us. It’s far from the end of the world though and on this forum you'll find well over 235,000 people who are demonstrating this.

On the forum we have found that with the number of new people being diagnosed with diabetes each day, sometimes the NHS is not being able to give all the advice it would perhaps like to deliver - particularly with regards to people with type 2 diabetes.

The role of carbohydrate

Carbohydrates are a factor in diabetes because they ultimately break down into sugar (glucose) within our blood. We then need enough insulin to either convert the blood sugar into energy for our body, or to store the blood sugar as body fat.

If the amount of carbohydrate we take in is more than our body’s own (or injected) insulin can cope with, then our blood sugar will rise.

The bad news

Research indicates that raised blood sugar levels over a period of years can lead to organ damage, commonly referred to as diabetic complications.

The good news

People on the forum here have shown that there is plenty of opportunity to keep blood sugar levels from going too high. It’s a daily task but it’s within our reach and it’s well worth the effort.

Controlling your carbs

The info below is primarily aimed at people with type 2 diabetes, however, it may also be of benefit for other types of diabetes as well.

There are two approaches to controlling your carbs:
  • Reduce your carbohydrate intake
  • Choose ‘better’ carbohydrates
Reduce your carbohydrates

A large number of people on this forum have chosen to reduce the amount of carbohydrates they eat as they have found this to be an effective way of improving (lowering) their blood sugar levels.

The carbohydrates which tend to have the most pronounced effect on blood sugar levels tend to be starchy carbohydrates such as rice, pasta, bread, potatoes and similar root vegetables, flour based products (pastry, cakes, biscuits, battered food etc) and certain fruits.

Choosing better carbohydrates

The low glycaemic index diet is often favoured by healthcare professionals but some people with diabetes find that low GI does not help their blood sugar enough and may wish to cut out these foods altogether.

Read more on carbohydrates and diabetes.

Over 145,000 people have taken part in the Low Carb Program - a 10 week structured education course that is helping people lose weight and reduce medication dependency by explaining the science behind carbs, insulin and GI.

Eating what works for you

Different people respond differently to different types of food. What works for one person may not work so well for another. The best way to see which foods are working for you is to test your blood sugar with a glucose meter.

To be able to see what effect a particular type of food or meal has on your blood sugar is to do a test before the meal and then test after the meal. A test 2 hours after the meal gives a good idea of how your body has reacted to the meal.

The blood sugar ranges recommended by NICE are as follows:

Blood glucose ranges for type 2 diabetes
  • Before meals: 4 to 7 mmol/l
  • 2 hours after meals: under 8.5 mmol/l
Blood glucose ranges for type 1 diabetes (adults)
  • Before meals: 4 to 7 mmol/l
  • 2 hours after meals: under 9 mmol/l
Blood glucose ranges for type 1 diabetes (children)
  • Before meals: 4 to 8 mmol/l
  • 2 hours after meals: under 10 mmol/l
However, those that are able to, may wish to keep blood sugar levels below the NICE after meal targets.

Access to blood glucose test strips

The NICE guidelines suggest that people newly diagnosed with type 2 diabetes should be offered:
  • structured education to every person and/or their carer at and around the time of diagnosis, with annual reinforcement and review
  • self-monitoring of plasma glucose to a person newly diagnosed with type 2 diabetes only as an integral part of his or her self-management education

Therefore both structured education and self-monitoring of blood glucose should be offered to people with type 2 diabetes. Read more on getting access to blood glucose testing supplies.

You may also be interested to read questions to ask at a diabetic clinic.

Note: This post has been edited from Sue/Ken's post to include up to date information.
Take part in Diabetes.co.uk digital education programs and improve your understanding. Most of these are free.

  • Low Carb Program - it's made front-page news of the New Scientist and The Times. Developed with 20,000 people with type 2 diabetes; 96% of people who take part recommend it... find out why

  • Hypo Program - improve your understanding of hypos. There's a version for people with diabetes, parents/guardians of children with type 1, children with type 1 diabetes, teachers and HCPs.
Hello again forum members
I have spent 8 hours looking through this website and some of the forum posts and watched some videos on YouTube about pre diabetes
However, I am still confused about what I can and cant eat
All the info seems to relate to low carb diets and I understand now that junk and convenient ready meatls are a no no from now on but it is nor clear to a newbie if wholemeal bread is allowed or the fat content of food is relevant or not
Food seems to be such a complicated subject and it is not clear to a newbie what is good or bad for you
I know everyone is different but there is no quick,easily understandable and simple guide on what foods to avoid for newly diagnosed prediabetes patients
My GP offered no guidance or practical help attall
It seems to me that until I pass into full type 2 diagnosis that there is no help for borderline cases like myself offered by NHS services?
Thank God for this forum as I feel badly let down by my GP not advising me what to do from now on
Thankyou
 

Mr_Pot

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I know everyone is different but there is no quick,easily understandable and simple guide on what foods to avoid for newly diagnosed prediabetes patients
Don't have cereals for breakfast. Don't eat sweet stuff like cakes, biscuits and deserts. Cut out or cut down on bread, potatoes, rice and pasta (including wholemeal varieties). That should be a good enough guide to start with, you can become an expert as time goes on.
 
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