Unbelievable!! Disgusting!!

[ally5555]

graham - i am a little gem too .

We do have roads and trains to Cardiff!

 

[sugarless sue]

True ,but no car!and can't travel!

 

[sugarless sue]

I suppose it could be arranged.

 

[caitycakes1]

Wouldn't mind being a fly on the wall for that one!!!! :mrgreen:

Caitycakes x

 

[sugarless sue]

I wrrote to my local PCT West Berkshire, to ask why no diabetes training is being offered. this is the reply I got
The educational courses which you refer to have not historically been
funded by the PCT. PCTs have limited financial resources and as a
result we have to prioritise our expenditure. Although we have put in
financial bids in previous years in order to develop a formal
educational programme for our Diabetes patients, there has not been
enough money in the system to develop the Diabetes service in this
manner. The only formal programme we have currently is for all new type
2 patients. We have appointed an administrator to support this
educational programme. We do have some patient education as part of our
contracted Diabetes service provided by the Royal Berkshire Hospital NHS
Foundation Trust - however this is an informal education carried out
through patient / clinician contact.

Diabetes education is something that we would wish to develop and it
remains on our agenda.
How much are they paying that administrator and the diabetes educators(yes 2 of them) and for what??
I was never offered the course and I was once newly diagnosed. NICE guidelines anybody??

Ok highjacked long enough! back to Hana's original post.

 

[brianb]

Dont you need a passport to goto Cardiff, i had heard that the borders were hard to cross.

Mind you i think the border controll was to stop people leaving not getting in

Brian

 

[ally5555]

yes u do - we are very selective sorry sue!

 

[hanadr]

Ally Don't you know the talking stick technique?
With groups of around a dozen people, You have a stick( fancy and decoratedis fun) and only the person holding the stick may talk. You pass it round and it's not too hard to exclude the person who dominates things, for a few rounds and you give it tto shy ones. Because they know they won't be interrupted, the shy ones usually come out of their shells. Works in Q&A sessions after a lecture too.

 

[ally5555]

hana - very often the people who come to these groups are not used to speaking in front of people - groups are not for everyone.

es do a similar thing to that - using bean bags.

 

[IanD]

Dont you need a passport to goto Cardiff, i had heard that the borders were hard to cross.

Mind you i think the border controll was to stop people leaving not getting in

Brian

No. You could get out for free, but had to pay to cross the Severn Bridge to get in. Which is why the A40 is clogged up with heavy lorries.

 

[Thirsty]

...groups are not for everyone.

Wise words. The last thing many people with health problems need is the stress caused by talking to a bunch of people they don't know; that's what the internet is for.

 

[ally5555]

thirsty that is very cynical - not everyone has the internet - in fact alot of pts are older.

 

[Thirsty]

Cynical? Yes, I am.

Seriously, I think that "group therapy" can cause more harm than good in people who suffer from social anxiety, agoraphobia, shyness or whatever the currently fashionable term is.

Thoughts?

 

[hanadr]

I'm not a believer in any kind of "counselling" as practised by Americans. I don't think Group therapy works very often, but getting information by paticipating in group activity is a good way of using time to the benefit of as many people as possible. Provided it's all properly structured.

 

[Trinkwasser]

graham - i am a little gem too .

We do have roads and trains to Cardiff!

/me shudders, used to do a lot of delivering in South Wales when there was only the one Severn bridge, and that spent a lot of its time with one lane each way closed, and the M4 hadn't been finished yet. In those days there were still coal mines and the big steelworks in Ebbw Vale. Loved the people, hated the transport links.

 

[IanD]

I am a little gem too.

At last - the low carb Ally :wink:

 

[ally5555]

no Ian = mod carb not low carb!

Trink - that must have been years ago we have 2 bridges now! but we cahrge you to come in!

 

[Trinkwasser]

I'm not a believer in any kind of "counselling" as practised by Americans. I don't think Group therapy works very often, but getting information by paticipating in group activity is a good way of using time to the benefit of as many people as possible. Provided it's all properly structured.

Yes I think all too much "counselling" is designed to teach "socially acceptable" values rather than fix problems. Group therapy is popular because unlike medications or therapies that work it has a cost per therapist rather than per patient.

trink that is very true and the front line staff are at breaking point.

Yes it was a specialist nurse who told me that years ago and I suspect the balance between clerical/managerial and medical staff has moved even further in the wrong direction since then, after all they need somewhere to work since they have destroyed manufacturing industry.

No. You could get out for free, but had to pay to cross the Severn Bridge to get in. Which is why the A40 is clogged up with heavy lorries.

In my day we had to pay both ways (but we got books of tickets at discount, and we made up for some of the costs by tanking up near Milford Haven/Haverfordwest where diesel was a lot cheaper nearer to the refineries. No longer true when I was last over there.)

 

[steve_sandy]

got given some books to read, no training courses as such

find more information on the net and did read diabetes for dummies

 

[sugar2]

Hi Hana,

I am in glorious west berkshire and completely agree...it is pretty rubbish. I have attended teh hospital clinic for years, and when I asked about DAPNE etc courses, I too got 1/2 hour wit the dietician, whi was lovely, but not that informative. It does sound like you should be giving the course...not taking it! I am lucky as I live in the middle of Berkshire, so I have signed up for 4 week couse with East Berkshire. It is 30 years since the NHS gave me any education re diabetes though!