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FOOD COMBINATIONS AND BALANCE MATTER

CRPetersen said:
Click on the links from the article I showed you and you'll get your studies.
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Sorry, but an unsigned article in a Health and Nutrition magazine does not ring my bell. The author is not identified, and there is no references to other source materials used. This article is therefore only a personal observation made by the anonymous author, and so has no credibility that i would sign up to.

Also most of the links to so called menu articles take me to a webcrawler site full of adverts which again does not have the gravitas that I use to make my decisions.
 
Oldvatr said:
Sorry, but an unsigned article in a Health and Nutrition magazine does not ring my bell. The author is not identified, and there is no references to other source materials used. This article is therefore only a personal observation made by the anonymous author, and so has no credibility that i would sign up to.

Also most of the links to so called menu articles take me to a webcrawler site full of adverts which again does not have the gravitas that I use to make my decisions.
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The links are in the article.
 
@CRPetersen
I could manage perfectly well without carbohydrates - the fewer I eat the better my body can cope, and the closer to "normal" my glucose levels become. However I have chosen to eat very low carb vegetables and fruit, not because these contain carbohydrates, but because they contain other beneficial elements such as fibre, vitamins and minerals. I could probably choose to supplement my diet in other ways, but I prefer when possible not to do so. So yes for the most part I do avoid carbs like the plague, but I can still eat a good healthy diet.

Robbity
 
I agree with Robbity and until recently avoided carbs and was making great progress. Recent stomach problems (probably due to other meds, other issues) mucked about with my day-to-day motivation. Levels have been creeping up a little, and while I am still trying, I see I am squeezing in a bowl of cereal here and there to help stay sane. Why can't some scumbag company see the market in food purely for diabetics - there's so many of us and more very day...one damned packet of low carb cereal would make my day. I know I need to focus again and get real.
 
Robbity said:
@CRPetersen
I could manage perfectly well without carbohydrates - the fewer I eat the better my body can cope, and the closer to "normal" my glucose levels become. However I have chosen to eat very low carb vegetables and fruit, not because these contain carbohydrates, but because they contain other beneficial elements such as fibre, vitamins and minerals. I could probably choose to supplement my diet in other ways, but I prefer when possible not to do so. So yes for the most part I do avoid carbs like the plague, but I can still eat a good healthy diet.

Robbity
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But you are eating some carbs, though being very carful. I would not disagree with that.
 
Yet another statement in conflict with your original post. I'd lay off the reading for a bit and allow the experience of others dictate what they do, their resultant numbers and then decide which way to jump.
 
I will take the opinions of nine VERY experienced posters who say differently. It's what works for them (and me) that I trust and the lower the carb intake (IMHO) the better. Granted we all come for different directions in regard to individual diets.

Carbs are not essential for good health. You look at "balance" as a term that suits your "argument". I look at it far differently.

The rule book is tossed out in pursuit of what you eat that offers you a better life.
 
... and this garbage from the same site

It has also been shown to help prevent or reverse type 2 diabetes.

It cannot be reversed
 
As a vegetarian that low carbs, too say someone who eats meat only risks dementia in my opinion is codswallop, other mammals such as lions do pretty well on a lean diet of meat.

Clearly there has been more research into the carb effect on diabetes to cherry pick than the HF approach.

my own GP has gone from being sceptical about my health to throwing in a handful of Wows at the change in my health since ditching carbs back in November 2015, would I rather eat more carbs and go back on medication I think not, I've seen the effect of eating a carb and grain diet on myself, I for one ain't in a hurry to slip back there, anytime soon.
My carb rate averages out at less than 20-30carbs per day.
 
Having read through this thread some more, and looked at references included...there is an awful lot of total nonsense out there. Anyone who thinks human beings cannot survive on meat alone is ignoring entirely the evolution of certain australopithici and early hominids as well as homo habilis, homo erectus and of course early homo sapiens. In many areas at different times a number of developing humanoid beings had to rely on limited resources based on climate and environment. In fact, those who dies out tended to be to reliant on local vegetation in fairly isolated areas (prone to extinction as climate changed). Further, it is with the advent of processed foods and indeed processed drugs, stress and associated mental illnesses that dementia has been more prevalent. Those who are going to preach...should perhaps study the evidence first. I seem to recall some talk of evolution being nonsense and the whole world being created around 4000BC - but then..there were dinosaurs! Evidently, there still are. Studying the impact of food sources on human beings involves a bit more than nutritional values, statistics, theories and blogs written by those with agendas. There is no such thing as carbohydrate deficiency - otherwise...we would not be here! Still - I miss meringues and that's the truth.
 
For Diabetics looking on the internet for help with their illness it goes to show what utter cobblers is out there, especially if you are a naive plumb
 
CRPetersen said:
The links are in the article.
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Yes, I read some of the linked articles. Some articles said that there was NO difference between a vegetarian diet (i.e. carby) and a meat only diet when it came to Alzheimers disease. The embedded link to an NHS study took me to more adverts for 'healthy foods for body builders' and the only study i found which linked Dementia to an all meat diet was a fiasco. In it they took meat and adulterated it by coating it in some substance meant to imitate what happens during cooking, They then fed this to mice. Question is, how did they know when the mice developed dementia? Not very convincing.

There was no Human study i could find that made sense.
 
Basing my research purely on the links in your blog @CRPetersen , I come to the conclusion that nobody has any strong answers in respect to the arguments as to what foods kill you and what foods don't.

What I would argue is that these studies show that eating unprocessed meat is not bad for you:

http://www.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/pubmed/20479151
http://www.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/pubmed/23497300

And that these ones show that Low Carb diets are better than Low Fat diets:

http://ajcn.nutrition.org/content/86/2/276.full
http://onlinelibrary.wiley.com/doi/10.1111/j.1467-789X.2012.01021.x/abstract
http://onlinelibrary.wiley.com/doi/10.1111/j.1467-789X.2008.00518.x/abstract

The point I am making is that I arrived at these all through the links you provided. If I wanted to take a one eyed view I could say that I didn't understand how you could arrive at the conclusions you have from evidence of your own blog. But that would be being pedantic. Instead I'd suggest that if you are going to link to points that back up your argument, link to those papers specifically rather than google searches that offer results that are both Pro and Con your argument. It would at least look a little more professional!

We've had many discussions on here over the years about what is good and bad, and I think it's fair to say that in terms of T2 diabetes, Low Carb is definitely better. Without glucose in the food, there can be much less glucose in the blood, generating less insulin resistance and therefore reducing T2 effects.

Ultimately, the bodily reaction for different people is different, and the advice to "eat to your meter" has to be paramount in advising T2s in how to live their lives. Neither your blog nor the NHS can dispute this.
 
Oldvatr said:
Yes, I read some of the linked articles. Some articles said that there was NO difference between a vegetarian diet (i.e. carby) and a meat only diet when it came to Alzheimers disease. The embedded link to an NHS study took me to more adverts for 'healthy foods for body builders' and the only study i found which linked Dementia to an all meat diet was a fiasco. In it they took meat and adulterated it by coating it in some substance meant to imitate what happens during cooking, They then fed this to mice. Question is, how did they know when the mice developed dementia? Not very convincing.

There was no Human study i could find that made sense.
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Follow up on my previous posting. I have now found the NHS article. This article quotes the report I reviewed from your link almost verbatim. It was based on a BBC report. The NHS report adds the following as a conclusion, and I quote by cut and paste:
However, despite these changes to the brain and metabolism, it cannot be said that the mice actually developed the human equivalent of either dementia (Alzheimer’s or other), or metabolic syndrome.


Similarly, there was not a single diagnosis of Alzheimer’s or metabolic syndrome in the human part of the study.
 
This is an interesting youtube video - presented by our old chum the Fat Emperor.
I find it interesting because the young man in the video recovered from terminal cancer, while eating only animal products.
I also find it interesting that those animal products were FAR more varied than a meat-eggs-fish diet.

It is a possibility that I might eat this way to save my life, but I would consider that about the only motivation that would drive me to eat the diet he describes.

He is, of course, a single example.
But then, he is also a single survivor...

 
yawar said:
Hi

I am eating veges , greens and Chicken , fish (salmon )I do not eat breads , rice, pasta, and also no high fat foods.

I started 2-3 slices of brown bread lasting, my BGL is 4-5 , but Hb1ac didn't change by much....is this diet okay or needs to be modified.....

Yawar
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Sounds like you are doing fine good BG levels
 
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