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High blood pressure on a low carb diet

Magisham

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Type of diabetes
Type 2
Treatment type
Tablets (oral)
My partner has had type 2 diabetes for 2 years following a kdney transplant. Had very little help from the hospital on diet, just pills, and his GP is very negative about everything, just telling him he won't manage to lose weight and would be better to go on insuline. I have tried various diets and managed to get his bloods down from over 100 to 75. Then I found the low carb forum on here (don't know what I'd do without this web site, it's been my only support) and tried him on a low carb high fat diet. We cut out potatoes and root veg, bread and all things made from flour (am experimenting with coconut flour), pasta and rice. Doctor at the hospital a few weeks ago was very pleased as my partner had lost 4kg, his blood was down to 65 and his cholesterol was 3.4. The only problem was that his blood pressure was a bit high. And it is continuing to rise despite being on medication to lower it. Having read up a bit on Google, some people are saying that a very low carb diet is not good for you, so do you think we have overdone it? He used to eat bananas every day, but I stopped it. Both they and potatoes have potassium which might have been counteracting the effects of the salt in the bacon and tins of salmon we've been eating. Has anyone experienced anything similar and do you think I should start reintroducing a few carbs here and there, like a few new potatoes or a bit of whole-wheat spaghetti? I am disappointed because I thought we were doing so well.
 
Obviously we can't diagnose but that does sound a bit strange as most people report lower BP when low carbing, mine has certainly come down though it took few months . Are you measuring at home or at the docs? If the doc is being a pessimistic git does your partner have white coat high blood pressure? It might be worth getting a cheap monitor to measure it at home, one of the omron series.. I got mine from Argos for about £20.
 
Obviously we can't diagnose but that does sound a bit strange as most people report lower BP when low carbing, mine has certainly come down though it took few months . Are you measuring at home or at the docs? If the doc is being a pessimistic git does your partner have white coat high blood pressure? It might be worth getting a cheap monitor to measure it at home, one of the omron series.. I got mine from Argos for about £20.
He has had his blood pressure done at the hospital, by the nice diabetic specialist, and he has had so many visits to various doctors over the last 4 years he doesn't get white coat syndrome. Had it done again at eye screening clinic, then a couple of times by the local pharmacist. And we have a monitor at home. It might be nothing to do with the diet. He doesn't sleep well and gets stressed out over everything.
 
If you are worried about low potassium, you can find it in much better places than potatoes and bananas.

https://www.healthaliciousness.com/articles/food-sources-of-potassium.php

I try to eat well, but i supplement potassium too - and feel better for it.

You may also find this article interesting. The thing that hit met me when i first read it is that high bp is a symptom, not a disease of itself. Far better to address the cause, than treat the symptom.

http://articles.mercola.com/sites/a...malize-your-blood-pressure-without-drugs.aspx

Hope that helps.
 
My man is a stressed sort of person, I think that is a real issue. We try everything, at the moment it's flax seeds - flax crackers, very tast actually, he tries to have 3 a day, totalling 30g and his blood pressure is a good bit better, but that might be coincidence! And we try to walk 5 miles a day (Fitbit monitored). With a kidney transplant, I dare say they won't be happy with raised BP, but LCHF should make it better, not worse!
 
If you are worried about low potassium, you can find it in much better places than potatoes and bananas.

https://www.healthaliciousness.com/articles/food-sources-of-potassium.php

I try to eat well, but i supplement potassium too - and feel better for it.

You may also find this article interesting. The thing that hit met me when i first read it is that high bp is a symptom, not a disease of itself. Far better to address the cause, than treat the symptom.

http://articles.mercola.com/sites/a...malize-your-blood-pressure-without-drugs.aspx

Hope that helps.
Thanks for that.
 
My man is a stressed sort of person, I think that is a real issue. We try everything, at the moment it's flax seeds - flax crackers, very tast actually, he tries to have 3 a day, totalling 30g and his blood pressure is a good bit better, but that might be coincidence! And we try to walk 5 miles a day (Fitbit monitored). With a kidney transplant, I dare say they won't be happy with raised BP, but LCHF should make it better, not worse!
Yes, must get it sorted soon.
 
My partner has had type 2 diabetes for 2 years following a kdney transplant. Had very little help from the hospital on diet, just pills, and his GP is very negative about everything, just telling him he won't manage to lose weight and would be better to go on insuline. I have tried various diets and managed to get his bloods down from over 100 to 75. Then I found the low carb forum on here (don't know what I'd do without this web site, it's been my only support) and tried him on a low carb high fat diet. We cut out potatoes and root veg, bread and all things made from flour (am experimenting with coconut flour), pasta and rice. Doctor at the hospital a few weeks ago was very pleased as my partner had lost 4kg, his blood was down to 65 and his cholesterol was 3.4. The only problem was that his blood pressure was a bit high. And it is continuing to rise despite being on medication to lower it. Having read up a bit on Google, some people are saying that a very low carb diet is not good for you, so do you think we have overdone it? He used to eat bananas every day, but I stopped it. Both they and potatoes have potassium which might have been counteracting the effects of the salt in the bacon and tins of salmon we've been eating. Has anyone experienced anything similar and do you think I should start reintroducing a few carbs here and there, like a few new potatoes or a bit of whole-wheat spaghetti? I am disappointed because I thought we were doing so well.

Hiya...I can completely relate. I had a kidney transplant In February 2015 at 52 years of age after a life on high blood pressure which went along with the gradual deterioration of my kidneys since birth. I was diagnosed with steroid induced "new onset" diabetes a couple of months later - developing into Type 2.
I suspect your husband has had increased blood sugar following long term treatment (ie. more than three months) with a particular steroid...the most common post transplant being Prednisolone.
You will know that the single most important level to be concerned about is his creatinine level (ie. representing the actual kidney function) and that needs to be protected at all costs. The steroid, along with anti-rejection drugs (in my case Progaf, or Tacrolimus, and MMF) are to ensure that the new graft doesn't get attacked by the body's own system...and they do this by lowering the immune system (which can leave us open to infections...so the drugs need to be monitored carefully and tweaked to keep the balance right - a very individual matter). Drawbacks include a slight impact of both creatinine and blood pressure.
It's a trade off to ensure a good safe kidney. I was warned about the high risk of diabetes from the steroid used..and was prepared to risk it to keep the kidney healthy. I'd rather have Type 2 (which I have now got well under control - thanks to this site and to low carbing) than rejection! My blood sugar has gradually come right down to well manageable levels and I stopped the meds I was given for diabetes along time ago now. All renal docs and my diabetic specialist are delighted and have entirely approved my approach.
So - NO - DON'T re-introduce more carbs...there is NO need. There is no such thing as a carb deficiency...and it has very very little to do with the condition of either kidney or blood pressure in your husband's case. Persist with low carbs. Make sure he eats plenty of good veg (broccoli, cauliflower, spinach, leafy stuff) and maybe oily fish, avocado and nuts on top of bef, pork, lamb, chicken, fish (particularly tuna and salmon), mushrooms etc etc. Be strict - NO spuds/chips, pasta, rice, bread or cereal (at least until you really see the difference in blood sugar levels). CRUCIALLY - he must drink 2-3 litres of fluid a day...preferably water (I prefer very very diluted Robinsons juice) as it will ensure he is hydrated properly (and the kidney needs that).
Not enough fluid also increases the blood pressure. I found my blood pressure was always higher at the clinic, so I got a wee machine and tested it at certain times at home. It's lower with plenty of fluid, reduced anti-rejection meds, lower blood sugar and LESS STRESS (eg. arriving at a clinic stressed and being taken right away to have levels measured!).
I could help more if I knew what your husbands BP actually was. I was up at 160/120...now steadily down around 120/80 (my docs changed my blood pressure meds from lisinopril to amplodopine and added a beta-blocker called atenolol - really helped).
Ask his doctors about cutting the steroid down or out altogether..research indicates this is entirely appropriate and many clinics now avoid steroids completely with transplant patients and rely (successfully) of the anti-rejection drugs alone. I had mine cut from 25mg a day to 2.5 mg per day - made a massive difference to blood sugars, and helped my blood pressure a bit too.
Anyway- hope that helps. If you have any questions at all please don not hesitate to ask. Good luck to your husband...by today's higher standards, a transplanted kidney still functioning after 2 years is well past the big danger areas. He can and will get both blood sugars and blood pressure down with the right approach and should discuss options with his renal team.
Paul
 
@pleinster @Magisham What excellent expertise and experience we have here, that is an amazingly detailed response from you, Paul. There is nothing better than personal experience, especially from somebody who has clearly done the relevant research, and what a good news story!
 
Hiya...I can completely relate. I had a kidney transplant In February 2015 at 52 years of age after a life on high blood pressure which went along with the gradual deterioration of my kidneys since birth. I was diagnosed with steroid induced "new onset" diabetes a couple of months later - developing into Type 2.
I suspect your husband has had increased blood sugar following long term treatment (ie. more than three months) with a particular steroid...the most common post transplant being Prednisolone.
You will know that the single most important level to be concerned about is his creatinine level (ie. representing the actual kidney function) and that needs to be protected at all costs. The steroid, along with anti-rejection drugs (in my case Progaf, or Tacrolimus, and MMF) are to ensure that the new graft doesn't get attacked by the body's own system...and they do this by lowering the immune system (which can leave us open to infections...so the drugs need to be monitored carefully and tweaked to keep the balance right - a very individual matter). Drawbacks include a slight impact of both creatinine and blood pressure.
It's a trade off to ensure a good safe kidney. I was warned about the high risk of diabetes from the steroid used..and was prepared to risk it to keep the kidney healthy. I'd rather have Type 2 (which I have now got well under control - thanks to this site and to low carbing) than rejection! My blood sugar has gradually come right down to well manageable levels and I stopped the meds I was given for diabetes along time ago now. All renal docs and my diabetic specialist are delighted and have entirely approved my approach.
So - NO - DON'T re-introduce more carbs...there is NO need. There is no such thing as a carb deficiency...and it has very very little to do with the condition of either kidney or blood pressure in your husband's case. Persist with low carbs. Make sure he eats plenty of good veg (broccoli, cauliflower, spinach, leafy stuff) and maybe oily fish, avocado and nuts on top of bef, pork, lamb, chicken, fish (particularly tuna and salmon), mushrooms etc etc. Be strict - NO spuds/chips, pasta, rice, bread or cereal (at least until you really see the difference in blood sugar levels). CRUCIALLY - he must drink 2-3 litres of fluid a day...preferably water (I prefer very very diluted Robinsons juice) as it will ensure he is hydrated properly (and the kidney needs that).
Not enough fluid also increases the blood pressure. I found my blood pressure was always higher at the clinic, so I got a wee machine and tested it at certain times at home. It's lower with plenty of fluid, reduced anti-rejection meds, lower blood sugar and LESS STRESS (eg. arriving at a clinic stressed and being taken right away to have levels measured!).
I could help more if I knew what your husbands BP actually was. I was up at 160/120...now steadily down around 120/80 (my docs changed my blood pressure meds from lisinopril to amplodopine and added a beta-blocker called atenolol - really helped).
Ask his doctors about cutting the steroid down or out altogether..research indicates this is entirely appropriate and many clinics now avoid steroids completely with transplant patients and rely (successfully) of the anti-rejection drugs alone. I had mine cut from 25mg a day to 2.5 mg per day - made a massive difference to blood sugars, and helped my blood pressure a bit too.
Anyway- hope that helps. If you have any questions at all please don not hesitate to ask. Good luck to your husband...by today's higher standards, a transplanted kidney still functioning after 2 years is well past the big danger areas. He can and will get both blood sugars and blood pressure down with the right approach and should discuss options with his renal team.
Paul
Hi Paul. I have spoken to you before about my partner because I remembered you'd had a kidney transplant. Last time at the hospital, about 4 weeks ago, kidney function was still good. Blood pressure the other day was something like 152/99 I think. Before that it was 148/87. It has always been good (with his meds) since his transplant in January 2014, this blip is a recent thing, which is why I am wondering what has suddenly pushed it up. I think a lot of it is down to stress. He has found it difficult to come to terms with what has happened to him over the last 4 years. From being a fit bloke, ex marine, he has had a heart bypass, a kidney transplant and then, a year later, a hernia repair. And now he has me on his back about what he can and can't eat! I am really strict with the low carbs and the only higher carb thing we have is an occasional slice of Burgen Soya and Linseed bread if I do scrambled eggs. I think a lot of it is down to stress as he has had some worries about a member of his family, but it is difficult for him to stop stressing. I looked on Google for some natural remedies and they came up with various things like soaking your feet in warm water whilst drinking the juice of a lemon in a cup of water, to eating watermelon seeds. I will try to get him to drink more water too. He has about 6 cups of coffee a day. Maybe I should cut him down on that too? I feel like the food police! He just does what I tell him. Thanks for all your help. Maggie
 
Hi Paul. I have spoken to you before about my partner because I remembered you'd had a kidney transplant. Last time at the hospital, about 4 weeks ago, kidney function was still good. Blood pressure the other day was something like 152/99 I think. Before that it was 148/87. It has always been good (with his meds) since his transplant in January 2014, this blip is a recent thing, which is why I am wondering what has suddenly pushed it up. I think a lot of it is down to stress. He has found it difficult to come to terms with what has happened to him over the last 4 years. From being a fit bloke, ex marine, he has had a heart bypass, a kidney transplant and then, a year later, a hernia repair. And now he has me on his back about what he can and can't eat! I am really strict with the low carbs and the only higher carb thing we have is an occasional slice of Burgen Soya and Linseed bread if I do scrambled eggs. I think a lot of it is down to stress as he has had some worries about a member of his family, but it is difficult for him to stop stressing. I looked on Google for some natural remedies and they came up with various things like soaking your feet in warm water whilst drinking the juice of a lemon in a cup of water, to eating watermelon seeds. I will try to get him to drink more water too. He has about 6 cups of coffee a day. Maybe I should cut him down on that too? I feel like the food police! He just does what I tell him. Thanks for all your help. Maggie

Jeez! Could be the coffee!
 
switch him to decaff (do you make it? if so, just switch him without telling him, and see what happens :) )
Funnily enough, I was buying decaf and decanting it into the regular coffee jar so he didn't know. But then he kept on about how the coffee tasted different and he guessed what I'd been doing. I'll have another go. I didn't see any difference myself. I've had my mum on decaf Typhoo tea for the last 3 years and she still doesn't know! I just fill up her tea caddy each time I visit.
 
One thing to reduce stress is Yoga and meditation.

I do it mainly because I just don't bend where I should, but the relaxation part of it leaves me really chilled.

I can also get my blood pressure down when being tested by using the breathing exercises.
Helps me zone out during blood tests as well - I hate needles.

From what you have said so far I would guess that the stress may be contributing to everything, and taking some serious chill pills may be better than dugs.
 
One thing to reduce stress is Yoga and meditation.

I do it mainly because I just don't bend where I should, but the relaxation part of it leaves me really chilled.

I can also get my blood pressure down when being tested by using the breathing exercises.
Helps me zone out during blood tests as well - I hate needles.

From what you have said so far I would guess that the stress may be contributing to everything, and taking some serious chill pills may be better than dugs.
If only I could buy chill pills! I try him with candle-lit baths, soft music, massage ...... you name it. Have even tried him with some Brain Gym exercises because they work for me. I get short term effects, but doesn't really last for long. I'll keep trying though.
 
Relaxation and yoga stretching do wonderful things for PB. never thought my hubby would do it but he lives it. Sleeps much better too
 
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