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bobrobert

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Copied from an email from the the Real Diabetes Truth.

One of the commonest complications of having diabetes is damage to the kidneys, known as diabetic nephropathy. The longer you have diabetes, the greater the risk of this condition – 50 per cent of people who have had type 2 diabetes for more than 20 years suffer from it. But it seems that even if you don't have a diagnosis of diabetes, your kidneys could be at just as much risk if your diet is rubbish.

That is the conclusion from a new study carried out at Anglia Ruskin University in the UK. Researchers fed various diets – including a junk food diet that featured doughnuts, flapjacks, biscuits, muffins, chocolate and cheese – to normal rats and to rats modelling human diabetes.1 After eight weeks, they examined the effects the diets and the diabetes had on the rats' kidneys.

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Who thinks that cheese is junk food?
 
They probably had to feed them cheese to entice them to munch on the junk stuff, and did they check whether any of the food stuff is actually poisonous to rats irrespective of diabetes, such as chocolate? It is certainly poisonous for dogs.
 
bobrobert said:
Copied from an email from the the Real Diabetes Truth.

One of the commonest complications of having diabetes is damage to the kidneys, known as diabetic nephropathy. The longer you have diabetes, the greater the risk of this condition – 50 per cent of people who have had type 2 diabetes for more than 20 years suffer from it. But it seems that even if you don't have a diagnosis of diabetes, your kidneys could be at just as much risk if your diet is rubbish.

That is the conclusion from a new study carried out at Anglia Ruskin University in the UK. Researchers fed various diets – including a junk food diet that featured doughnuts, flapjacks, biscuits, muffins, chocolate and cheese – to normal rats and to rats modelling human diabetes.1 After eight weeks, they examined the effects the diets and the diabetes had on the rats' kidneys.

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Who thinks that cheese is junk food?
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@Administrator Can we copy like this, or is their newsletter info copyright? Please confirm since I have so far refrained from from doing this? They certainly charge for much of their info in the following parts of the articles. The home site is run by Agora Health who are a commercial enterprise.

Some cheese products aimed at children may cross the boundary. These tend to be heavily processed with additives.
 
Either that, or simply accept that fat isn't the mainstream first choice for nutrition?
 
Oldvatr said:
@Administrator Can we copy like this, or is their newsletter info copyright? Please confirm since I have so far refrained from from doing this? They certainly charge for much of their info in the following parts of the articles. The home site is run by Agora Health who are a commercial enterprise.

Some cheese products aimed at children may cross the boundary. These tend to be heavily processed with additives.
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I don't know the legalities but I don't see why not?
 
To quote Sesame St - one of these things is not like the other, one of these things just doesn't belong - OOH Miss! I know, it's the one that isn't composed of mainly sugar AND fat, isn't it?
 
SunnyExpat said:
It's an article about the effects of a fat and sugar diet on the kidneys, the fat came from the cheese.

It sounds remarkedly similar to my previous diet.
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Your opposition to full fat has been well aired on the forum. Diabetes.co.uk recommends it with certain caveats but you still can't accept it. You are in the minority and should read the evidence in support of it. New members will be confused by your posts with respect to full fat. The question I asked is cheese junk but you attempted to derail the the thread with your comment.
 
bobrobert said:
Your opposition to full fat has been well aired on the forum. Diabetes.co.uk recommends it with certain caveats but you still can't accept it. You are in the minority and should read the evidence in support of it. New members will be confused by your posts with respect to full fat. The question I asked is cheese junk but you attempted to derail the the thread with your comment.
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I corrected a quote you took out of context.
If you don't like the full truth being posted, I would suggest you don't post your own version first, otherwise it will be probably be corrected. New members deserve the full truth, not your version because you believe the full facts may confuse them.

As to your question, indeed, in the context of the study, cheese is indeed classed as junk in that diet. That was the point of the study, and the point of the cheese in it.

As you have also stated, I'm well on record for the effects saturated fats, such as cheese, have on me, and others. So personally, yes, cheese is mostly junk for me as well.
As I say, my previous diet confirmed that.

As to the minority, I can live with that, the eatwell plate is for the majority as well, and I won't buy into that view either.
It's a forum, not a single view club.
 
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SunnyExpat said:
I corrected a quote you took out of context in your attempt to make an insulting remark about another organisation.
If you don't like the full truth being posted, I would suggest you don't post your own version first, otherwise it will be probably be corrected. New members deserve the full truth, not your version because you believe the full facts may confuse them.

As to your question, indeed, in the context of the study, cheese is indeed classed as junk in that diet. That was the point of the study, and the point of the cheese in it.
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The Administrator has accepted the validity of the post so that is good enough for me. I asked the members if they thought that cheese is junk? You are the only one so far that thinks that way. One wonders why you post here?
 
bobrobert said:
The Administrator has accepted the validity of the post so that is good enough for me. I asked the members if they thought that cheese is junk? You are the only one so far that thinks that way. One wonders why you post here?
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Perhaps you need to understand a balanced forum has different views?
You could always suggest a LCHF forum, and password protect it, if you don't agree other views should be allowed to be seen?
 
SunnyExpat said:
Perhaps you need to understand a balanced forum has different views?
You could always suggest a LCHF forum, and password protect it, if you don't agree other views should be allowed to be seen?
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Your view runs contrary to what Diabetes.co.uk recommends to new members. Any one of them reading your opposition to full fat will wonder who is correct? Having a contrary view means that you don't always have to air it? You can believe what you want but don't keep confusing new members.
 
catherinecherub said:
@SunnyExpat @bobrobert, this post is in Diabetes Discussions and all views are welcome.
If you want to argue then please do so via PM as other posters do not want to read your posts that are sniping at each other. and where personal remarks are being made. Future post of that nature will be deleted.
Here is a link to the site where the article is displayed.
http://www.realdiabetestruth.com/junk-food-diabetes-kidney-damage/
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I am sorry this has descended into something like a farce but my original post was a genuine one which imo was derailed by someone who repeatedly opposes full fat and I thought it deserved a rebuttal.
 
I expect your opponent felt that his replies were also in order.
Either accept that we do not all agree with each other and carry on or if you feel that another poster brings out the worst in you when replying then put them on ignore. You do not have to answer their posts.
 
Oldvatr said:
@Administrator Can we copy like this, or is their newsletter info copyright? Please confirm since I have so far refrained from from doing this? They certainly charge for much of their info in the following parts of the articles. The home site is run by Agora Health who are a commercial enterprise.

Some cheese products aimed at children may cross the boundary. These tend to be heavily processed with additives.
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Not too sure - as it's in the public domain it makes sense that it can be discussed as such though - will get someone to look into it! :)
 
Rather ironic that before being diagnosed as diabetic I was eating low fat cheese and switched to high fat after being diagnosed and it helped me lose 3 stone in weight. Some folk don't like it as is their right but describing it as junk food isn't the best description?
The companies advice seems to be a front for selling goods that people can make up their own mind about.
 
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