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Type 2 Is type 2 an autoimmune symptom too?

On the question:
"Is type 2 also an autoimmune disease too?"
The answer is NO!

This article is written for 5 year ago. Every one can write what they like. But every reader can ask him self about the reliability of the claim's.
This article is a poor conspiracy theory about the T2DM.
If someone like to read about the conspiratory theories, then it is more interesting to buy the books about that.
Next time someone can claim that persons with T1DM are from "Andromeda" and the persons with T2DM are from "M100". I am waiting for that.


Therefore:
"All that glitter is not a gold"
 
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Thanks @luna50 for your pessimistic answer. Empty reasoning as usual.
Thank god I have more than one opinion open to me.

My thread was asking everyone's opinion through what they've read and have experienced.
Your closed mind must be so helpful to people around you. I bet people avoid you incase you infect your poison onto others.
These threads are designed to help sufferers. Are you not just doing the same of which you accuse?
Think about it.
Can you bring any personal experience to the table? Have you achieved great heights with your type2 diabetes?
 
I just Googled a couple of things. Auto immune conditions/diseases :-
Type 1
  • type 1 diabetes: destruction of insulin producing cells in the pancreas
  • The word Destruction :-
    destruction
    dɪˈstrʌkʃ(ə)n/
    noun
    1. the action or process of causing so much damage to something that it no longer exists or cannot be repaired.
      "the destruction of the rainforest"
      synonyms: demolition, knocking down, pulling down, tearing down, levelling, razing (to the ground),felling, dismantling, breaking up, wrecking, ruination, smashing, shattering, blasting,blowing up, dynamiting, bombing, torpedoing More. I will be attending my diabetes hospital appointment on Wednesday afternoon, 13th, I could ask my consultant Mr T the question ??
 
Here is a link to an article that for Luna50's possible satisfaction is not quite so old.

http://diabetes.diabetesjournals.org/content/64/6/1886

"
Abstract

Obesity and associated insulin resistance predispose individuals to develop chronic metabolic diseases, such as type 2 diabetes and cardiovascular disease. Although these disorders affect a significant proportion of the global population, the underlying mechanisms of disease remain poorly understood. The discovery of elevated tumor necrosis factor-α in adipose tissue as an inducer of obesity-associated insulin resistance marked a new era of understanding that a subclinical inflammatory process underlies the insulin resistance and metabolic dysfunction that precedes type 2 diabetes. Advances in the field identified components of both the innate and adaptive immune response as key players in regulating such inflammatory processes. As antigen specificity is a hallmark of an adaptive immune response, its role in modulating the chronic inflammation that accompanies obesity and type 2 diabetes begs the question of whether insulin resistance and type 2 diabetes can have autoimmune components. In this Perspective, we summarize current data that pertain to the activation and perpetuation of adaptive immune responses during obesity and discuss key missing links and potential mechanisms for obesity-related insulin resistance and type 2 diabetes to be considered as potential autoimmune diseases. "

All that does not glitter is not necessarily Dross either.
 
JohnEGreen said:
Here is a link to an article that for Luna50's possible satisfaction is not quite so old.

http://diabetes.diabetesjournals.org/content/64/6/1886

"
Abstract

Obesity and associated insulin resistance predispose individuals to develop chronic metabolic diseases, such as type 2 diabetes and cardiovascular disease. Although these disorders affect a significant proportion of the global population, the underlying mechanisms of disease remain poorly understood. The discovery of elevated tumor necrosis factor-α in adipose tissue as an inducer of obesity-associated insulin resistance marked a new era of understanding that a subclinical inflammatory process underlies the insulin resistance and metabolic dysfunction that precedes type 2 diabetes. Advances in the field identified components of both the innate and adaptive immune response as key players in regulating such inflammatory processes. As antigen specificity is a hallmark of an adaptive immune response, its role in modulating the chronic inflammation that accompanies obesity and type 2 diabetes begs the question of whether insulin resistance and type 2 diabetes can have autoimmune components. In this Perspective, we summarize current data that pertain to the activation and perpetuation of adaptive immune responses during obesity and discuss key missing links and potential mechanisms for obesity-related insulin resistance and type 2 diabetes to be considered as potential autoimmune diseases. "

All that does not glitter is not necessarily Dross either.
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All that are only speculations. The speculation about the persons with T1DM are from the "Andromeda" and the persons with T2DM are from "M100" is equal and have the same value as the claim about antibodies for T2DM. We have the test for antibodies i.e. GAD65.
 
ickihun said:
Thanks @luna50 for your pessimistic answer. Empty reasoning as usual.
Thank god I have more than one opinion open to me.

My thread was asking everyone's opinion through what they've read and have experienced.
Your closed mind must be so helpful to people around you. I bet people avoid you incase you infect your poison onto others.
These threads are designed to help sufferers. Are you not just doing the same of which you accuse?
Think about it.
Can you bring any personal experience to the table? Have you achieved great heights with your type2 diabetes?
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You write:
" Have you achieved great heights with your type2 diabetes?"
Yes I have. I trust only to the science and not to the demagogies.
The consequence of that is I am eating like a persons who do not have T2DM and manage T2DM in concordant to the scientifically recommendations.
 
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@luna50 Why is the mind like a parachute It's only of use when it's open.

Every scientific advancement has been made at the expense of the then prevalent orthodox views that the then text books were full of..

Oh and of course every scientific advance stars out as speculation.
 
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JohnEGreen said:
@luna50 Why is the mind like a parachute It's only of use when it's open.

Every scientific advancement has been made at the expense of the then prevalent orthodox views that the then text books were full of..

Oh and of course every scientific advance stars out as speculation.
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You wrote: "... every scientific advance stars out as speculation.", but it always end's with a proof.
This journals are a pure conspiracy and do not help people with T2DM.
To help people with T2DM is to tell them how to treat it to get a better life and not to confuse them with a fantasies and give to them a false hope.
 
After all old text books have worked so far, not.

That is why people are questioning everything @luna50 .
The proof is in the pudding.

We get accused of all sorts and all we've done is the same as none diabetics so.......why! There must be something we're missing.

What are we missing?
Why do we get diabetes but our siblings not?

We want to know why. With proof and with a full explanation so it can be prevented.
Show me the proof, of why I was type 2 at 6yrs old!
 
luna50 said:
All that are only speculations. The speculation about the persons with T1DM are from the "Andromeda" and the persons with T2DM are from "M100" is equal and have the same value as the claim about antibodies for T2DM. We have the test for antibodies i.e. GAD65.
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On what basis can you distinguish this reference given by John as "speculations" and the science you think to be right?
Do they not go through the same peer review procedure?
How do you decide what is right and what is wrong in scientific journals?

Interested.
 
luna50 said:
You write:
" Have you achieved great heights with your type2 diabetes?"
Yes I have. I trust only to the science and not to the demagogies.
The consequence of that is I am eating like a persons who do not have T2DM and manage T2DM in concordant to the scientifically recommendations.
Remember what you write:
" My thread was asking everyone's opinion through what they've read and have experienced."
I do that, it is my opinion, irrespective of you like that or not.
Have a nice day
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Yes, you've done such a marvelous job with your type 2 diabetes and your health in general that you are now on 5 different meds, including insulin.
 
Is type 2 an autoimmune symptom too?
Since we are talking personal experience here -
the article referred to in the underneath post defines mine:- slim most of my adult life, became fat diagnosed type 2 Lost excess weight through lchf and increased exercise now normal range HbA1c stopped meds . Seems straightforward enough in my case. (And my blood is B Rh Positive)
 
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JohnEGreen said:
Here is a link to an article that for Luna50's possible satisfaction is not quite so old.

http://diabetes.diabetesjournals.org/content/64/6/1886

"
Abstract

Obesity and associated insulin resistance predispose individuals to develop chronic metabolic diseases, such as type 2 diabetes and cardiovascular disease. Although these disorders affect a significant proportion of the global population, the underlying mechanisms of disease remain poorly understood. The discovery of elevated tumor necrosis factor-α in adipose tissue as an inducer of obesity-associated insulin resistance marked a new era of understanding that a subclinical inflammatory process underlies the insulin resistance and metabolic dysfunction that precedes type 2 diabetes. Advances in the field identified components of both the innate and adaptive immune response as key players in regulating such inflammatory processes. As antigen specificity is a hallmark of an adaptive immune response, its role in modulating the chronic inflammation that accompanies obesity and type 2 diabetes begs the question of whether insulin resistance and type 2 diabetes can have autoimmune components. In this Perspective, we summarize current data that pertain to the activation and perpetuation of adaptive immune responses during obesity and discuss key missing links and potential mechanisms for obesity-related insulin resistance and type 2 diabetes to be considered as potential autoimmune diseases. "

All that does not glitter is not necessarily Dross either.
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This is the article I was referring to in the above post. My IT skills are pants too
 
I am sorry to disappoint you, but in all the world there are many thousand of research workers who works to solve DM problem, but the Latin sentence say: "Per aspera ad astra" ( The way to the stars is very long).
You can not help people with T2DM to tell them a falsity. To tell the people that they can reverse a diabetes is to give to them a bad conscience. No one can reverse T2DM if they eat a dog diet.

People get this diagnose in connection with another diseases as a consequence off T2DM. People get a Cardiovascular problems, retinopathies, nephropathies, neuropathies and another problems.
I do not understand why on the internet is accepted to bring air balloon's before the proof is in the place.
My opinion is the internet is not a place where people can acquire a knowledge. Look on the medical faculties. They do not get the knowledge from the internet,. but from the serious books.
The only correct manner to treat the T2DM is to follow the recommendations from the health authorities. I know, some people employed by this authorities are not serious, but there are a doctors who do there job properly. Your hope and my to get an answer for your problem say the Latin sentence:
Latin: "Nichil vulgo insertius" on English: "There is nothing so unrealiable as the hope is".

Have a nice day
 
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luna50 said:
I am sorry to disappoint you, but in all the world there are many thousand of research workers who works to solve DM problem, but the Latin sentence say: "Per aspera ad astra" ( The way to the stars is very long).
You can not help people with T2DM to tell them a falsity. To tell the people that they can reverse a diabetes is to give to them a bad conscience. No one can reverse T2DM if they eat a dog diet. Look at this individual off @NoCrbs4Me. He is not aware about how the people get the diagnose T2DM.
He has been perhaps lucky if his T2DM has been diagnosed on a very onset. Then for a short period of time he can control T2DM with diet and exercise, but the DM say to him "You can go forward, but I can catch you".
People get this diagnose in connection with another diseases as a consequence off T2DM. People get a Cardiovascular problems, retinopathies, nephropathies, neuropathies and another problems.
I do not understand why on the internet is accepted to bring air balloon's before the proof is in the place.
My opinion is the internet is not a place where people can acquire a knowledge. Look on the medical faculties. They do not get the knowledge from the internet,. but from the serious books.
The only correct manner to treat the T2DM is to follow the recommendations from the health authorities. I know, some people employed by this authorities are not serious, but there are a doctors who do there job properly. Your hope and my to get an answer for your problem say the Latin sentence:
Latin: "Nichil vulgo insertius" on English: "There is nothing so unrealiable as the hope is".

Have a nice day
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And of course there are diseases that put you at high risk of T2 such as PCOS which is what I had first before getting diabetes.

People are curious and have every right to investigate why they have diabetes... just human nature to want to know.

You sound very trusting of your health professionals... good for you. No point telling people they can't find out information for themselves. I don't see any of the above links as speculation myself.... a doctor or someone in the medical field may do... but then I'm not a doctor and I like to know what is going on with me just like anyone. Docs are still trying to figure me out anyhow... they certainly don't have all the answers.
 
@luna50 I accept what you say about the internet is not the bible for DM but that is all I have, for free.
I cannot afford fancy medical jounals to be delivered to my door, some I won't understand. I'll need a degree in medicine. Of which, again I cannot afford. I'd gladly read and specialise in DM but I need to stop being obese first. So first degree in obesity, then DM.
On my income the internet is my only option.
That is the case for the majority of DM sufferers.

So your advice may work for you but no use to me. Sorry.
I'd gladly read any journal you insert and ask questions to understand fully if you can afford to.

I'm willing to listen.
 
ickihun said:
I found this article too which may show some light too.

http://www.healthline.com/health-news/aging-how-gastric-bypass-eliminates-type-2-diabetes-072913

So could diabetes be related to premature babies.
I was premature. Due to my mums high blood pressure so she was induced.
Common practice now.

Does the fetus not get a chance to develope the small intestine properly?
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I've heard several able diabetic specialists talking about the total resolution of T2 as a result of this kind of surgery


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I agree with @Mep .
I had a ruptured appendix (small intestine inflammation too) first then bell's palsy, then hypothyroidism, then pcos and then diabetes (diagnosed).
I believe I had diabetes first which led to others..... what's next for me?
Bell's palsy was treated with steriods then, I believe not so much now. Or at least they keep changing their mind.
They didn't think bell's palsy was an autoimmune symptom then.
Its described as nerve inflammation of the face.
Diabetes was showing when I was 6yrs old. Horrific thrush and thirst and obesity.
 
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