Feeling Bit Upset With Bg

[MissMac]

I agree with what all the other posters are saying. You're doing a great job and should be really pleased with what you've achieved so far. But as the saying goes, diabetes is a marathon, not a sprint, and if you're too hard on yourself in the early stages you're going to find it hard to maintain. And where can you go from there?
I totally understand where you're coming from with regard to meds, and if you continue as you have been it seems reasonable to assume you'll continue to avoid them.
Keep doing what you're doing, honey, because you're doing good!

Thank you @debrasue...It's still reading higher than I would like, pre meal bein 6.3 tonight so am just having to put it down to experience before I make my head explode with worrying...I think it's not been helped because of the experience I had with the practice nurse...to say she has affected me comes close...her attitude was..we'll see you in 3 months with your new HBA1C results and then the meds will start..but as my other half said...even if they want to prescribe them doesn't mean I have to take them!! I am more interested to see if the borderline underactive thyroid has gotten any worse...also got other medical things to contend with next month but have to say the difference in my pain levels with those is unreal since starting this way of eating..which could mean that I can put off having open major surgery to remove half of my insides!! I've just enjoyed a Sunday night fry up and some strawberries and cream which is my go to when I need a sweet hit..most nights!lol I have been feeling like my BP has dropped though..getting a lot of postural hypotension and feeling a bit woozy for a while after..also had that nauseated feeling before eating again! grrr. Anyway..am trying to be kind to myself as everyone has said and not be so obsessed but it is SO hard! I really must look at whether the SD codefree (which I use) holds trends as such..I didn't bother reading the instructions just went for it lol xxxx

 

[AndBreathe]

Thank you @debrasue...It's still reading higher than I would like, pre meal bein 6.3 tonight so am just having to put it down to experience before I make my head explode with worrying...I think it's not been helped because of the experience I had with the practice nurse...to say she has affected me comes close...her attitude was..we'll see you in 3 months with your new HBA1C results and then the meds will start..but as my other half said...even if they want to prescribe them doesn't mean I have to take them!! I am more interested to see if the borderline underactive thyroid has gotten any worse...also got other medical things to contend with next month but have to say the difference in my pain levels with those is unreal since starting this way of eating..which could mean that I can put off having open major surgery to remove half of my insides!! I've just enjoyed a Sunday night fry up and some strawberries and cream which is my go to when I need a sweet hit..most nights!lol I have been feeling like my BP has dropped though..getting a lot of postural hypotension and feeling a bit woozy for a while after..also had that nauseated feeling before eating again! grrr. Anyway..am trying to be kind to myself as everyone has said and not be so obsessed but it is SO hard! I really must look at whether the SD codefree (which I use) holds trends as such..I didn't bother reading the instructions just went for it lol xxxx

Have you find your pain levels have reduced (no idea what for, and not asking), many people do. I may have suggested looking up poshtotty's story before? She had the most fabulous turnaround with rheumatoid arthritis.

Perhaps have the odd go on a BP monitor at work or if you have one at home? My elevated BP was what started the process of me discovering asymptomatic T2. Again, it's very commplace for T2 and elevate BP to go together. As my bloods came into line, so did my BP, so worth a peep sometimes to see if you've reduced on that too?

When your body is adjusting to this way of eating, your body (and mind) has a lot to contend with, and I think sometimes, during that transitional period, things can just get a bit out of synch. Your body is trying to find a new normal, so take it steady.

Finally, for your meter trends, switch your meter on, then without adding a strip, press the right > arrow, and it'll display your 7 day test averages, repeat and you'll get 14 days, and finally repeat again gives you your 30 day readings. To scroll back through each reading, you'd do he same arrow pressing, but using the left < arrow.

Don't forget it can only average the tests you've done, so although it's great to see the trend, it can't fill in the spaces between.

Keep calm and carry on.

 

[MissMac]

Have you find your pain levels have reduced (no idea what for, and not asking), many people do. I may have suggested looking up poshtotty's story before? She had the most fabulous turnaround with rheumatoid arthritis.

Perhaps have the odd go on a BP monitor at work or if you have one at home? My elevated BP was what started the process of me discovering asymptomatic T2. Again, it's very commplace for T2 and elevate BP to go together. As my bloods came into line, so did my bloods, so worth a peep sometimes to see if you've reduced on that too?

When your body is adjusting to this way of eating, your body (and mind) has a lot to contend with, and I think sometimes, during that transitional period, things can just get a bit out of synch. Your body is trying to find a new normal, so take it steady.

Finally, for your meter trends, switch your meter on, then without adding a strip, press the right > arrow, and it'll display your 7 day test averages, repeat and you'll get 14 days, and finally repeat again gives you your 30 day readings. To scroll back through each reading, you'd do he same arrow pressing, but using the left < arrow.

Don't forget it can only average the tests you've done, so although it's great to see the trend, it can't fill in the spaces between.

Keep calm and carry on.

You truly are turning out to be my little mine of info...I cannot thank you enough....I'm going to have a little look now and see what happens. Took a post meal reading and it's the highest it's been for some time...that's me with more shots of apple cider vinegar before bed! lol xxx

 

[AndBreathe]

You truly are turning out to be my little mine of info...I cannot thank you enough....I'm going to have a little look now and see what happens. Took a post meal reading and it's the highest it's been for some time...that's me with more shots of apple cider vinegar before bed! lol xxx

What's with the cider vinegar? I know I tried it an eon ago, well before all of this malarky, for arthritis, when I had a virus related crippling poly-arthritis. I couldn't hack the cider vinegar. To me it was utterly vile, but that was me. Thankfully the poly-arthritis resolved itself over time. To be clear, I tested negative for rheumatoid factor.

 

[MissMac]

What's with the cider vinegar? I know I tried it an eon ago, well before all of this malarky, for arthritis, when I had a virus related crippling poly-arthritis. I couldn't hack the cider vinegar. To me it was utterly vile, but that was me. Thankfully the poly-arthritis resolved itself over time. To be clear, I tested negative for rheumatoid factor.

Well there is a rumour that it helps to lower BG so i have been drinking it in a glass of water every morning....I don't mind it really..just glug it down! lol Just been googling the newcastle diet...man alive! Well done on the arthritis thing though, that's pretty awesome. I am back to feeling nauseated again...I have NO idea what is going on with me the last couple of days! x

 

[AndBreathe]

Well there is a rumour that it helps to lower BG so i have been drinking it in a glass of water every morning....I don't mind it really..just glug it down! lol Just been googling the newcastle diet...man alive! Well done on the arthritis thing though, that's pretty awesome. I am back to feeling nauseated again...I have NO idea what is going on with me the last couple of days! x

Yes, I got a lucky break with the arthritis really. My Father had the most awful complex RA, which escalated very quickly, resulting in him being treated with intravenous drugs, so I was pretty manic when I woke one day unable to lift my arms above my head, and the rest of it. I did a food elimination diet, having had it suggested I was ultra sensitive to acidic foods by a naturopath. I'd have tried anything!

If this nausea has just been with you a couple of days, I'd be wondering if it is implicated in the numbers being up a bit. Is the thought of all food make you feel that way or anything in particular?

 

[MissMac]

Yes, I got a lucky break with the arthritis really. My Father had the most awful complex RA, which escalated very quickly, resulting in him being treated with intravenous drugs, so I was pretty manic when I woke one day unable to lift my arms above my head, and the rest of it. I did a food elimination diet, having had it suggested I was ultra sensitive to acidic foods by a naturopath. I'd have tried anything!

If this nausea has just been with you a couple of days, I'd be wondering if it is implicated in the numbers being up a bit. Is the thought of all food make you feel that way or anything in particular?

Morning! There is no question of food or the thought of it making me feel sick, seems to happen after and it's kinda just a dull pukey feeling really, not pleasant but nothing I cannot handle at the moment. Sugars not raised enough to cause that I wouldn't of thought, as people have said...they are not THAT bad...least my highest has been 7 and that started to come down again..I mean post meal I know that's ok..I just hate seeing anything around the 7's..told ya obsessive!
I don't know what has caused my pain to ease as much as it has..I mean it's not gone gone but normally I am debilitated on the sofa for a good portion of the month and chewing pills like they are smarties....last couple of months..since doing this way of eating...a couple of paracetamol, the occasional NSAID and I am able to carry on as normal..thought it was a fluke before but am thinking now no....a lot to do with no wheat maybe and therefore reduced inflammation! Who knows! Am now reading a thing about not eating diary..which would mean no morning coffee...no cream...oh my! I think I will stick with what I have less it is gonna start to not work.
So have you totally cured your arthhur's right A**e then? That is pretty **** immense! Go you!!! xxx

 

[AndBreathe]

Morning! There is no question of food or the thought of it making me feel sick, seems to happen after and it's kinda just a dull pukey feeling really, not pleasant but nothing I cannot handle at the moment. Sugars not raised enough to cause that I wouldn't of thought, as people have said...they are not THAT bad...least my highest has been 7 and that started to come down again..I mean post meal I know that's ok..I just hate seeing anything around the 7's..told ya obsessive!
I don't know what has caused my pain to ease as much as it has..I mean it's not gone gone but normally I am debilitated on the sofa for a good portion of the month and chewing pills like they are smarties....last couple of months..since doing this way of eating...a couple of paracetamol, the occasional NSAID and I am able to carry on as normal..thought it was a fluke before but am thinking now no....a lot to do with no wheat maybe and therefore reduced inflammation! Who knows! Am now reading a thing about not eating diary..which would mean no morning coffee...no cream...oh my! I think I will stick with what I have less it is gonna start to not work.
So have you totally cured your arthhur's right A**e then? That is pretty **** immense! Go you!!! xxx

Many, many folks view their T2 as an intolerance to carbs, or certain types of carbs, so grains could be one of your key groups. When in your early stages of testing did grains show you really elevated levels?

On the dairy front, again some have sensitivities, but further to that, some of those find that milk can be unhelpful, BUT cream, cheese and certain types of yoghurt, like Greek, are also fine.

I've dabbled a bit with dairy as for me I've developed some areas of really flakey skin, despite manic hydration and near OCD levels of moisturising. Now, I know you're thrilled I shared that very pleasant detail. My experiment was utterly inconclusive, so I've reverted to milk in my tea and coffee. I do consume cream with my berries, and quite often in sauces (to whack up the calories) but I don't really care for it in coffee.

Frustrating though it may be, I'm afraid there's much experimentation involved. @Brunneria has an issue with dairy and has far better knowledge than I have gathered together.

Great news on the pain relief though. Sometimes there are significant silver linings in this sometimes annoying imposition in our lives.

If your OH says you're looking well first thing in the morning, something must be going right.

 

[Mep]

oh yeh another to add to the list that hikes your blood sugars - car accidents! I just had one this morning and not happy. But my BGL is now high again just when I had it right. arghhh. At this stage it looks like I have a whiplash injury again and I will need physio. My car needs repairing too of course. I'm sick of being rear ended by people not paying attention. For now I'm covered in heat packs and seeing doc tomorrow. So there you go stress just does wonders it really does.

 

[Enclave]

disappointed .... please don't feel disappointed .... we do what we can to reduce sugars levels .. and think we have total control but then something will happen and your back to reducing again ... stress can mack bs higher than normal ... the wife will not tell me I have my yearly blood test till about half an hour before I have to go .. then I don't push my sugar levels up to high as its over and done before I have time to think about it.

 

[MissMac]

@AndBreathe as soon as I found out I cut grains so I have no idea what effect they have on me, though I know from pre-diagnosis that I bloat and am really uncomfy after eating them...for many years I actually chose not to eat pots and bread and stuff and when I did it was brown..then got with the man and all that changed..he actually holds himself a bit responsible for what has happened but I'm not blaming me so am not blaming him! It's just the way it is.
As for the milk/diary, I have not noticed any intolerance at all, it was more that people saying about how bad side effects can be that intrigued me and knowing a lot of people follow paleo and that is no diary.
Awww @Mep I hope you are ok...there are so many idiots on the roads, I'm thinking of getting a dash cam it's so bad down here where I am in the South West..they learnt to drive in tractors see and I swear most don't hold an actual licence and I wish I was joking!
@Enclave sounds like you have a good one there! If I relied on my partner to arrange ANYTHING I'd be dead before Xmas! Little bit despondent with him at the mo as he seems to have retreated to not being too supportive anymore and that makes it very hard work when it already is hard work whilst ya learning what's what xx

 

[AndBreathe]

@AndBreathe as soon as I found out I cut grains so I have no idea what effect they have on me, though I know from pre-diagnosis that I bloat and am really uncomfy after eating them...for many years I actually chose not to eat pots and bread and stuff and when I did it was brown..then got with the man and all that changed..he actually holds himself a bit responsible for what has happened but I'm not blaming me so am not blaming him! It's just the way it is.
As for the milk/diary, I have not noticed any intolerance at all, it was more that people saying about how bad side effects can be that intrigued me and knowing a lot of people follow paleo and that is no diary.
Awww @Mep I hope you are ok...there are so many idiots on the roads, I'm thinking of getting a dash cam it's so bad down here where I am in the South West..they learnt to drive in tractors see and I swear most don't hold an actual licence and I wish I was joking!
@Enclave sounds like you have a good one there! If I relied on my partner to arrange ANYTHING I'd be dead before Xmas! Little bit despondent with him at the mo as he seems to have retreated to not being too supportive anymore and that makes it very hard work when it already is hard work whilst ya learning what's what xx

No point blaming anyone in this whole thing. Very, very few people deliberately self-harm, and those who do usually have very deep issues, with the self harming almost being their cry for help, in my view.

You are where you are, which is already very different to where you were when you made your first post. Nobody can ask any more than that.

As for your OH? Sometimes I think it can be trickier for them to accept that ourselves. If MrB asked me once more if I was sure the Doc's had got it right, I'd probably have had a real dying fly tantrum there and then! The thing that helped him accept it more was by sharing my early blood readings with him, and comparing it to the "normal" ranges. He then accepted the diagnosis a bit more.

However, to be fair, these guys (and ladies) also have some enforced changes in their lives. I know for a while, MrB would check every time we ate if I could have x, y or z. he is our main cook and a very good one too. We still share our meals, at the table and eat the same, except he may or may not have more carbs than me. I don't ask him to avoid anything for himself, but only a little while ago he stated, without prompting, that he feels fabulous on reduced carbs. He has never carried any weight, but he keeps commenting on his improved mini-moobs. He's trim and like the rest of us is a bit vain in his own way. Frankly for someone about to embrace a 7 at the front of his age, I think he's fab, but of course, I'm biased.

Try to cut the chap a bit of slack, he may be trying to work things through for himself, and he may find your challenges hard to watch. Who knows?

Things will settle given time, and you'll find your ways to rubbing along

 

[MissMac]

No point blaming anyone in this whole thing. Very, very few people deliberately self-harm, and those who do usually have very deep issues, with the self harming almost being their cry for help, in my view.

You are where you are, which is already very different to where you were when you made your first post. Nobody can ask any more than that.

As for your OH? Sometimes I think it can be trickier for them to accept that ourselves. If MrB asked me once more if I was sure the Doc's had got it right, I'd probably have had a real dying fly tantrum there and then! The thing that helped him accept it more was by sharing my early blood readings with him, and comparing it to the "normal" ranges. He then accepted the diagnosis a bit more.

However, to be fair, these guys (and ladies) also have some enforced changes in their lives. I know for a while, MrB would check every time we ate if I could have x, y or z. he is our main cook and a very good one too. We still share our meals, at the table and eat the same, except he may or may not have more carbs than me. I don't ask him to avoid anything for himself, but only a little while ago he stated, without prompting, that he feels fabulous on reduced carbs. He has never carried any weight, but he keeps commenting on his improved mini-moobs. He's trim and like the rest of us is a bit vain in his own way. Frankly for someone about to embrace a 7 at the front of his age, I think he's fab, but of course, I'm biased.

Try to cut the chap a bit of slack, he may be trying to work things through for himself, and he may find your challenges hard to watch. Who knows?

Things will settle given time, and you'll find your ways to rubbing along

My OH actually burst into tears not so long ago as he hated seeing me going through what I was and having to stab my finger and cutting out all that he knows I love. Bless him. Think I am gonna be glad when the winter arrives as this hot weather is making me very intolerant which is not something I have been for a LONG while..the feeling fat and horrid is back with this current mood so says a lot really! lol xx

 

[tinyfilosofer]

Thank you guys and gals...as much as I am still disappointed if I am honest, I do feel a bit better about it. Defo not a bug round here and I don't know if I am being a bit mad but I didn't eat at all for about 36 hours the day before all this..wanted to try this fasting thing...but then all my readings were higher as I guess my liver was chucking out some glucose...kind of it but if it's using the stores maybe that means it's a good thing!!!
My fasting one this morning was 6.6 so cannot help but feel a bit sad..I know! I am putting too much pressure on myself...I guess it's as @pleinster said....denying yourself foods you love to not see what you want on the strips can make ya feel despondent. I am also super determined not to take medication..it's a weird control thing but I've always had it when it comes to my health..bad bad nurse. Still...I'll just keep on trucking and not eating the carbs and see what happens and hopefully it will come down again...have to say that I think I have been dehydrated so more water for the day and see what happens....the apple cider vinegar has already been necked! lol Thank you again xxxx
Oh and the analogy about the pigs and their hats? LOVE it, proper made me chuckle this morning..thank you xx

Sorry I didn't read the rest of the comments but just concerned about the concept of liver chucking out sugar being a good thing.
I'm not sure if you are type 1 or type 2, but as a type 1, continuously depleting liver sugar store can be fatal for us. If our insulin overdoses and liver chucks sugar to prevent us from going into a hypo induced coma, we don't treat it, the next time we go hypo unaware, and there is no liver reserves, we can go into a coma and die.
Do eat. Not eating to maintain sugar may not be the best.

Just me being concerned. You know your body best. And I am jealous of your 6.8. I average around 7.6. When I approach 5.5 I start trembling and my heart beats very fast and hard.

 

[AndBreathe]

Sorry I didn't read the rest of the comments but just concerned about the concept of liver chucking out sugar being a good thing.
I'm not sure if you are type 1 or type 2, but as a type 1, continuously depleting liver sugar store can be fatal for us. If our insulin overdoses and liver chucks sugar to prevent us from going into a hypo induced coma, we don't treat it, the next time we go hypo unaware, and there is no liver reserves, we can go into a coma and die.
Do eat. Not eating to maintain sugar may not be the best.

Just me being concerned. You know your body best. And I am jealous of your 6.8. I average around 7.6. When I approach 5.5 I start trembling and my heart beats very fast and hard.

As I understand it, our bodies will priorities replenishing out liver stores, as soon as fuel is available to do so. As a T2, who has never taken any form of diabetes management medication, I have yet to read anything suggesting dipping into, then replenishing liver and pancreatic stores to be anything other than our bodies reacting as they should, where a need arises. It's what happens in non-diabetics after all.

In my view, my body acting just as a non-diabetic's does is nothing other than positive. I couldn't comment for insulin dependent T2s or T1s. I believe, for most T2s, fortunate enough to be able to have their body functions repair themselves, healthy, non-diabetic metabolic reactions are an objective. I know it is mine.

 

[catapillar]

Sorry I didn't read the rest of the comments but just concerned about the concept of liver chucking out sugar being a good thing.
I'm not sure if you are type 1 or type 2, but as a type 1, continuously depleting liver sugar store can be fatal for us. If our insulin overdoses and liver chucks sugar to prevent us from going into a hypo induced coma, we don't treat it, the next time we go hypo unaware, and there is no liver reserves, we can go into a coma and die.
Do eat. Not eating to maintain sugar may not be the best.

Just me being concerned. You know your body best. And I am jealous of your 6.8. I average around 7.6. When I approach 5.5 I start trembling and my heart beats very fast and hard.

OP is a type 2 treating with diet only - hence the fasting, presumably. Depleting the liver of glucose stores is, I believe, sort of the point of longer fasts for type 2s who chose to do this as part of their diet.

 

[MissMac]

OP is a type 2 treating with diet only - hence the fasting, presumably. Depleting the liver of glucose stores is, I believe, sort of the point of longer fasts for type 2s who chose to do this as part of their diet.

Hey ladies, like I say it wasn't overly intentional but after watching stuff on fasting thought what the hell, not sure i will do it again simply as my sugars are back where i want them tonight after a meal I thought might push them up high, so am feeling a lot better! Wondering if i may be one of those who, if they don't eat enough is going to have rises...we'll see x

 

[tinyfilosofer]

6.8? I can but dream! Currently sat at 18.2 after eating next to nothing all day. I've had a cough for the last 3 days which weirdly enough only subsides when I have a fag...

I know! I get depressed whenever I see charts saying target reading 4-7. I'm lingering around 7-9! I'm tempted to give myself 1 extra unit of lantus. Don't tell my doc....

 

[tinyfilosofer]

As I understand it, our bodies will priorities replenishing out liver stores, as soon as fuel is available to do so. As a T2, who has never taken any form of diabetes management medication, I have yet to read anything suggesting dipping into, then replenishing liver and pancreatic stores to be anything other than our bodies reacting as they should, where a need arises. It's what happens in non-diabetics after all.

In my view, my body acting just as a non-diabetic's does is nothing other than positive. I couldn't comment for insulin dependent T2s or T1s. I believe, for most T2s, fortunate enough to be able to have their body functions repair themselves, healthy, non-diabetic metabolic reactions are an objective. I know it is mine.

Cool! I don't know much about t2 to be honest. It's good to hear your are a 2 rather than a 1. Your bodies probably still behave a lot more normally than ours! And hypo is not a risk for you. Forget what I said.

 

[Mep]

Cool! I don't know much about t2 to be honest. It's good to hear your are a 2 rather than a 1. Your bodies probably still behave a lot more normally than ours! And hypo is not a risk for you. Forget what I said.

Some type 2's may not get hypo's, but a lot do.... especially if they're on medications or insulin.

Also I'm type 2 with insulin deficiency which isn't commonly viewed as something that happens to type 2's either. So basically my treatment to manage my sugar is the same as a type 1.