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World Heart Federation President " Increase in Carbohydrate intake increases risk of CVD"

Freema said:
Could be the possible lack of pottasium and magnesium in an vlchf diet , if one had not taken that in consideration , or too much pottassium or other kind of diet induced unbalance in nutritions ... just guessing here or maybe the lack of salt which some say one need in added higher amounts on a vlchf diet as the low carbing foods tends to have lesser salt in them ( non processed foods ) and that carbs do hold water in ones cells which flushes out when we change our eating style to low carbing and in that flushing also a lot of Minerals/electrolytes
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I added multivitamins to compensate. Blood tests show no concerns with lacking anything. Calcium was good but still showed a thyroid problem even on the correct thyroxine. These blood tests were vlc and no metformin. Liver enzymes excellent too.
Liver enzymes have crept up with meds and increased carbs (xmas) in my new batch of blood tests but cholesterol still the same, good.
My blood pressure problem became worse on vlc. I'm looking into it.
Salt may be the answer!
 
ickihun said:
I added multivitamins to compensate. Blood tests show no concerns with lacking anything. Calcium was good but still showed a thyroid problem even on the correct thyroxine. These blood tests were vlc and no metformin. Liver enzymes excellent too.
Liver enzymes have crept up with meds and increased carbs (xmas) in my new batch of blood tests but cholesterol still the same, good.
My blood pressure problem became worse on vlc. I'm looking into it.
Salt may be the answer!
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I think you are doing a great job ..
so much at the same time to try to figure out, and then at the same time it seems that the GP´s know too little of everything almost...and also often seem to have lost the interest to really do get deep into every aspect of their patients complex health isues combined..

by the way it is interesting that we both have a worsened blood pressure from going lower in carbs......
maybe it could also be the sudden change that afeects and chok the body...

actually its been a month sice I measured my blood presure since... I´ll try later to see how mine are today and see if my sligthly added magnesium and potassium has made a differenc combined with even a higher level of excercise...
 
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bulkbiker said:
Credible?.. did you see his job title.. this could be a huge step forward..

and yes people do loose weight on a calorie restricted diet .. but it's just not sustainable in the long term and the weight tends to creep back over time.. I think most of us have done it and found that out and maybe messed with our metabolisms in the meantime.
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Hi
I watched this video on DD, but it wasn't until I read your post that it dawned on me - this guy isn't talking about diabetes, he's talking about the world population! For a long time, we have had to accept the response to our criticism of the nutritional guidelines (eat-well plate) that it isn't aimed at diabetics, but at the UK population in general. But that now seems to have been debunked.
Buy pork belly futures, panic-buy Lidl rolls, get ready for the sugar mountain fiasco!
 
BrianTheElder said:
Hi

Buy pork belly futures, panic-buy Lidl rolls, get ready for the sugar mountain fiasco!
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Or alternatively....how long will it be before he is forced to 'step down' from the presidency and more 'science' is produced to prove him wrong?

IMO there's too much money invloved for this to be plain sailing. I hope I'm wrong
 
zand said:
Or alternatively....how long will it be before he is forced to 'step down' from the presidency and more 'science' is produced to prove him wrong?

IMO there's too much money invloved for this to be plain sailing. I hope I'm wrong
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That seems a bit...conspiratorial :D

After all if there's money to be made, wouldn't the dairy and meat industry be on his side?
 
Thanks that was a very interesting presentation but where was it that he mentions your quote that "carbs were harmful"?

I heard him say that when carbs were eaten in excess 55% of diet that there was a steep increase in cardio vascular disease (2.14 minutes) and I also heard him say that too much just as too little of anything is not good for us (13.33 minutes) but no where did I hear him say that "carbs were harmful".

Isnt it repetition of half truths like this that lead people to believe that they should avoid eating fat when no one ever said that either.
 
Sid Bonkers said:
Thanks that was a very interesting presentation but where was it that he mentions your quote that "carbs were harmful"?

I heard him say that when carbs were eaten in excess 55% of diet that there was a steep increase in cardio vascular disease (2.14 minutes) and I also heard him say that too much just as too little of anything is not good for us (13.33 minutes) but no where did I hear him say that "carbs were harmful".

Isnt it repetition of half truths like this that lead people to believe that they should avoid eating fat when no one ever said that either.
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If you look at the video at about 1min20, there is a chart showing "increased risk of CVD with micronutrients", showing the carbohydrate section. He explains it pretty well, I think.
 
@kokhongw & @BrianTheElder CHO over 50% of cal is harmfull is NOT the same as "carbs are harmful". What it means is too many carbs are harmful...Just as too much protein or fat is harmful too.

Fake news ;)
 
Sid Bonkers said:
@kokhongw & @BrianTheElder CHO over 50% of cal is harmfull is NOT the same as "carbs are harmful". What it means is too many carbs are harmful...Just as too much protein or fat is harmful too.

Fake news ;)
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This is real news, nothing fake about it (unless you are Donald Trump). There is a clear rise in CVD with increased carbs. The get-well plate recommends about 60% carbs. Why defend this nonsense?
Just as hyperbole is harmful, so is defending entrenched non-facts.
 
BrianTheElder said:
This is real news, nothing fake about it.
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The title of the linked article is fake. He's not saying "carbs are harmful". He's saying that too many carbs are harmful. Sensationalism in titles is standard practice to draw attention, but that doesn't make it any less misleading. And it makes the source look untrustworthy, if they're willing to exaggerate.
 
BrianTheElder said:
This is real news, nothing fake about it (unless you are Donald Trump). There is a clear rise in CVD with increased carbs. The get-well plate recommends about 60% carbs. Why defend this nonsense?
Just as hyperbole is harmful, so is defending entrenched non-facts.
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Please show me where I have defended that 60% of cals be carbs? Ive never ever said that and after 8 years of non diabetic bg levels I still eat a low carb diet, I just get upset when facts are distorted to make a point that was not intended.
 
Sid Bonkers said:
@kokhongw & @BrianTheElder CHO over 50% of cal is harmfull is NOT the same as "carbs are harmful". What it means is too many carbs are harmful...Just as too much protein or fat is harmful too.

Fake news ;)
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As @BrianTheElder pointed out in his earlier comment. This study was for the general population. Not just for T2D. So for us T2D, it would likely take a lot less than 50% of cal to start being harmful.

In any case his message is clearly that carbs are likely to be more harmful than fats, even saturated fats, where CVD is concerned. That is a significant departure for a mainstream cardiologist. But I am not hopeful that there will be any significant policy changes any time soon. Yes this is not even news for those of us who have been following low carb high fats.
 
Sid Bonkers said:
@kokhongw & @BrianTheElder CHO over 50% of cal is harmfull is NOT the same as "carbs are harmful". What it means is too many carbs are harmful...Just as too much protein or fat is harmful too.

Fake news ;)
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Ok so Diet Doctor may be considered to have been a bit gung-ho with their headline but lets's not miss the message while arguing the semantics..

I still maintain that this could be a huge step forward so to see you dismissing it as "fake news" because you don't like the title especially when you follow a low carb diet yourself is a bit like cutting off your nose to spite your face surely?

I can't see what your agenda is here..
 
Sid Bonkers said:
Please show me where I have defended that 60% of cals be carbs? Ive never ever said that and after 8 years of non diabetic bg levels I still eat a low carb diet, I just get upset when facts are distorted to make a point that was not intended.
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Hi Sid
Sorry if we got at cross purposes. I was talking about the video. I think you were talking about the DD headline, which I agree is sensationalist.
But I think to write the whole thing off as fake news just because of the DD headline is wrong. I don't think we should be discussing DD's journalism, rather what the World Heart Federation President actually presented.
 
bulkbiker said:
I still maintain that this could be a huge step forward so to see you dismissing it as "fake news" because you don't like the title especially when you follow a low carb diet yourself is a bit like cutting off your nose to spite your face surely?
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Advertising with a fake title undermines the credibility of the real message, which risks harming the low-carb cause more than it helps.
 
ME_Valentijn said:
Advertising with a fake title undermines the credibility of the real message, which risks harming the low-carb cause more than it helps.
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Disagree.. I think the overall message is that carbs can be harmful.. fats have been demonised incorrectly.. That's what I take from the item. Obviously it also vindicates what a lot of us have been saying on this forum and elsewhere. There is no fake title maybe a very slight exaggeration.. but if you want to ignore the good news then that's yours and Sid's choice.
I think that any newbie with worries about fat intake should be re-assured by this article especially as @BrianTheElder has said it applies to everyone not just Type 2's.
 
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