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Insulin resistance

Martin stoj

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Am a 37 year old man got dieognosed with type one diabetes in 2003 re had the test in 2014 and it came back negative and am still insulin resistance I take 180 units a day of novo rapid 200 units of glargine a night metaformin and an lucky to get my blood sugars down past 15 lately am having highs off 30 I eat a well balanced diet go to the gym and nothing is helping an doing everything bye the book and still struggling with it what is going on and does anyone have to take the amount off insulin I do
 
Am a 37 year old man got dieognosed with type one diabetes in 2003 re had the test in 2014 and it came back negative and am still insulin resistance I take 180 units a day of novo rapid 200 units of glargine a night metaformin and an lucky to get my blood sugars down past 15 lately am having highs off 30 I eat a well balanced diet go to the gym and nothing is helping an doing everything bye the book and still struggling with it what is going on and does anyone have to take the amount off insulin I do

Hello

Do you carb count to take your novorapid?

I’m on Toujeo and novorapid

Novorapid I inject 5u for every 10g of carbs so a meal with 50g carbs I inject 25u insulin plus or minus a correction dose depending what my level is

At night I inject between 220 and 230u of Toujeo so that’s quite a lot but I do know a friend who injects more basal than me

I think you need a review with your diabetic team please arrange an appointment with them and discuss your high levels

Take care
 
@Martin stoj

Hello Martin and welcome to the Forum :) Here is the Basic Information we give to new members and I hope you will find it useful. Ask as many questions as you like and someone will help.


BASIC INFORMATION FOR NEW MEMBERS

Diabetes is the general term to describe people who have blood that is sweeter than normal. A number of different types of diabetes exist.

A diagnosis of diabetes tends to be a big shock for most of us. It’s far from the end of the world though and on this forum you'll find well over 235,000 people who are demonstrating this.

On the forum we have found that with the number of new people being diagnosed with diabetes each day, sometimes the NHS is not being able to give all the advice it would perhaps like to deliver - particularly with regards to people with type 2 diabetes.

The role of carbohydrate

Carbohydrates are a factor in diabetes because they ultimately break down into sugar (glucose) within our blood. We then need enough insulin to either convert the blood sugar into energy for our body, or to store the blood sugar as body fat.

If the amount of carbohydrate we take in is more than our body’s own (or injected) insulin can cope with, then our blood sugar will rise.

The bad news

Research indicates that raised blood sugar levels over a period of years can lead to organ damage, commonly referred to as diabetic complications.

The good news

People on the forum here have shown that there is plenty of opportunity to keep blood sugar levels from going too high. It’s a daily task but it’s within our reach and it’s well worth the effort.

Controlling your carbs

The info below is primarily aimed at people with type 2 diabetes, however, it may also be of benefit for other types of diabetes as well.

There are two approaches to controlling your carbs:
  • Reduce your carbohydrate intake
  • Choose ‘better’ carbohydrates
Reduce your carbohydrates

A large number of people on this forum have chosen to reduce the amount of carbohydrates they eat as they have found this to be an effective way of improving (lowering) their blood sugar levels.

The carbohydrates which tend to have the most pronounced effect on blood sugar levels tend to be starchy carbohydrates such as rice, pasta, bread, potatoes and similar root vegetables, flour based products (pastry, cakes, biscuits, battered food etc) and certain fruits.

Choosing better carbohydrates

The low glycaemic index diet is often favoured by healthcare professionals but some people with diabetes find that low GI does not help their blood sugar enough and may wish to cut out these foods altogether.

Read more on carbohydrates and diabetes.

Over 145,000 people have taken part in the Low Carb Program - a 10 week structured education course that is helping people lose weight and reduce medication dependency by explaining the science behind carbs, insulin and GI.

Eating what works for you

Different people respond differently to different types of food. What works for one person may not work so well for another. The best way to see which foods are working for you is to test your blood sugar with a glucose meter.

To be able to see what effect a particular type of food or meal has on your blood sugar is to do a test before the meal and then test after the meal. A test 2 hours after the meal gives a good idea of how your body has reacted to the meal.

The blood sugar ranges recommended by NICE are as follows:

Blood glucose ranges for type 2 diabetes
  • Before meals: 4 to 7 mmol/l
  • 2 hours after meals: under 8.5 mmol/l
Blood glucose ranges for type 1 diabetes (adults)
  • Before meals: 4 to 7 mmol/l
  • 2 hours after meals: under 9 mmol/l
Blood glucose ranges for type 1 diabetes (children)
  • Before meals: 4 to 8 mmol/l
  • 2 hours after meals: under 10 mmol/l
However, those that are able to, may wish to keep blood sugar levels below the NICE after meal targets.

Access to blood glucose test strips

The NICE guidelines suggest that people newly diagnosed with type 2 diabetes should be offered:
  • structured education to every person and/or their carer at and around the time of diagnosis, with annual reinforcement and review
  • self-monitoring of plasma glucose to a person newly diagnosed with type 2 diabetes only as an integral part of his or her self-management education

Therefore both structured education and self-monitoring of blood glucose should be offered to people with type 2 diabetes. Read more on getting access to blood glucose testing supplies.

You may also be interested to read questions to ask at a diabetic clinic.

Note: This post has been edited from Sue/Ken's post to include up to date information.
Take part in Diabetes.co.uk digital education programs and improve your understanding. Most of these are free.

  • Low Carb Program - it's made front-page news of the New Scientist and The Times. Developed with 20,000 people with type 2 diabetes; 96% of people who take part recommend it... find out why

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OK, you need to go back to your diabetes team pretty urgently. Blood glucose readings that high mean you are damaging your body, definitely eyesight, probably kidney function, blood circulation etc. If you are lucky, the damage so far will be reversible IF you get your blood glucose down. Don't let an appointment maker put you off until next month, or the 'first available'. If you turned up at an A&E with a bg of 30, they would probably admit you.

At that high a dose of insulin you are beyond the experience of most surgery nurses and gp's, so your primary contact should be at a hospital diabetes clinic. They will be able to talk you through increasing your insulin to get your blood glucose down. If your doctor is really unhappy with your insulin dose, there is a severe insulin resistance clinic in Cambridge who will consult and provide more information on treatments.

There are a small subset of us diabetics, I've talked to four now, who have some things in common. Usually diagnosed t1, originally mildly insulin resistant but it just keeps going up and up, which means the insulin dose does the same (yesterday I took 500u, basal+bolus). Exercise and diet have no, or very little impact. And the really good news? <sarcasm> the diabetes consultants don't understand why either.

To put it all in perspective, a few years ago I went hunting through some medical archives and found an Italian academic paper from the 1980's. They had a patient taking thirty thousand units per day (via an implanted pump). Unfortunately it didn't say what the outcome of treatment was, but it can't have been good I don't think.
 
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