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Type 2 Optimal FBG?

nicky147

nicky147

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Type of diabetes
Type 2
Treatment type
Diet only
Previously, when I was first diagnosed with Type 2, my FBG was 13, then after 3 months of keto diet and exercise, my weight dropped and FBG also dropped within range from 5.3 to 5.7, now I stopped the diet and did not exercise for quite awhile, my FBG went up to minimum of 6.3 above. May I know FBG level should I maintain? I mean optimal level. I doesn't want to go too low nor too high either. Any advise is appreciated.
 
If you aren't taking any medication (your profile says diet only) then it would be very hard (probably impossible) for you to go "too low" . The FBG is however the hardest to control and even after about 2 years of a ketogenic diet I can still get 6's sometimes. Don't stress too much but if you consistently got lower levels before I would go back to your old way of eating as it was obviously working for you.
Hello and welcome by the way.
 
Bluetit1802 said:
I would say somewhere in the 5s is optimal.

However, the most important levels to keep a close eye on are those after eating as they will tell you if you are experiencing large spikes. It is frequent spikes that cause the damage, especially if they take a long time to come down again..
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If I ate something that has a lot of carbs (like a plate of white rice with meat and veges), even after 4 hours, my blood sugar will be around 7-8 mmol. Is that normal? Today I tested myself by eating lady fingers, a grapefruit and my dinner, after 4 hours, my blood sugar was 5.0.
 
bulkbiker said:
If you aren't taking any medication (your profile says diet only) then it would be very hard (probably impossible) for you to go "too low" . The FBG is however the hardest to control and even after about 2 years of a ketogenic diet I can still get 6's sometimes. Don't stress too much but if you consistently got lower levels before I would go back to your old way of eating as it was obviously working for you.
Hello and welcome by the way.
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Thanks for the encouragement!
 
nicky147 said:
If I ate something that has a lot of carbs (like a plate of white rice with meat and veges), even after 4 hours, my blood sugar will be around 7-8 mmol. Is that normal? Today I tested myself by eating lady fingers, a grapefruit and my dinner, after 4 hours, my blood sugar was 5.0.
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It is normal for someone who ate your meal with Type 2 diabetes. White rice is often the cause of elevated blood sugars. We recommend testing before you start to eat and 2 hours after your first mouthful to gauge the imacpt of what you have eaten. You want to aim for a rise of less than 2 mmol.
I will tag @daisy1 for the intro to low carbing as a reminder for you how it's best approached. There is a huge amount of info on the forum but it can be a bit overwhelming to start with. Have a read around and come back with any questions.
 
nicky147 said:
If I ate something that has a lot of carbs (like a plate of white rice with meat and veges), even after 4 hours, my blood sugar will be around 7-8 mmol. Is that normal? Today I tested myself by eating lady fingers, a grapefruit and my dinner, after 4 hours, my blood sugar was 5.0.
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No, that is not normal and is indicative of diabetes. Rice is very high carbohydrate and will raise your levels. It may also keep them raised for some time, as you have experienced. Two hours after first bite is the time to test if you want to compare your levels to those in the guidelines in the link I gave you in my first post.
 
bulkbiker said:
It is normal for someone who ate your meal with Type 2 diabetes. White rice is often the cause of elevated blood sugars. We recommend testing before you start to eat and 2 hours after your first mouthful to gauge the imacpt of what you have eaten. You want to aim for a rise of less than 2 mmol.
I will tag @daisy1 for the intro to low carbing as a reminder for you how it's best approached. There is a huge amount of info on the forum but it can be a bit overwhelming to start with. Have a read around and come back with any questions.
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Noted, another question, does coffee effect blood sugar? I found some research that regular coffee drinker has lesser control of insulin control.
 
nicky147 said:
Noted, another question, does coffee effect blood sugar? I found some research that regular coffee drinker has lesser control of insulin control.
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I drink a lot of coffee and strong (triple shot Americano) at least 4-5 per day with no real impact on my blood sugar. As with everything related to our bodies you may be different. Best thing to do is test have the coffee and then test again maybe 1 and 2 hours afterwards. Then remembering that meters are a bit inaccurate see what happens.
 
nicky147 said:
Noted, another question, does coffee effect blood sugar? I found some research that regular coffee drinker has lesser control of insulin control.
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It depends what you put in it. Black coffee, or coffee with cream is normally fine. Coffee with loads of milk is not normally fine. There is a lot of sugar in milk (lactose)
 
Bluetit1802 said:
No, that is not normal and is indicative of diabetes. Rice is very high carbohydrate and will raise your levels. It may also keep them raised for some time, as you have experienced. Two hours after first bite is the time to test if you want to compare your levels to those in the guidelines in the link I gave you in my first post.
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Noted, will test it out tomorrow
 
Bluetit1802 said:
It depends what you put in it. Black coffee, or coffee with cream is normally fine. Coffee with loads of milk is not normally fine. There is a lot of sugar in milk (lactose)
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But according to research long term coffee drinker causes 8% rise of FBG. I'm quite an addicted coffee drinker, but not to an extend of 1 week more than 20 cups, less than 10 cups. Mostly are latte.
 
nicky147 said:
If I ate something that has a lot of carbs (like a plate of white rice with meat and veges), even after 4 hours, my blood sugar will be around 7-8 mmol. Is that normal? Today I tested myself by eating lady fingers, a grapefruit and my dinner, after 4 hours, my blood sugar was 5.0.
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When testing foods, you really need to look at the difference between the pre- meal reading and one taken 2 hours after finishing eating
 
nicky147 said:
But according to research long term coffee drinker causes 8% rise of FBG. I'm quite an addicted coffee drinker, but not to an extend of 1 week more than 20 cups, less than 10 cups. Mostly are latte.
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Ah you mean a latte with half a bucket of milk...? In that case the lactose in the milk could be responsible. The coffee itself is probably the innocent victim.

Edited to add I'd also be interested in seeing that research if you have a link.
 
nicky147 said:
But according to research long term coffee drinker causes 8% rise of FBG. I'm quite an addicted coffee drinker, but not to an extend of 1 week more than 20 cups, less than 10 cups. Mostly are latte.
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Yes, the latte won't help one bit. Try it with real double cream.
 
You can get non dairy milk lattes / cappucinos so the milk arguement doest apply, as long as you choose unsweetened non dairy milks ( almond, soy, cashew etc etc)
 
Boo1979 said:
You can get non dairy milk lattes / cappucinos so the milk arguement doest apply, as long as you choose unsweetened non dairy milks ( almond, soy, cashew etc etc)
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That's why I put half a bucket of milk not water with some ground up nuts in it..
 
Well speaking as someone who is dairy intolerant, non dairy milk is milk in the same way as latte is latte and dairy cream / soya cream are both cream
 
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