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Morning Sugar Levels

Timbo50

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Type of diabetes
Type 2
Treatment type
Tablets (oral)
I am new to Type 2 I am overweight but find my Blood sugar levels are okay during the day but I find breakfast check is higher than I would like it ranges between 8.5 - 10.5 is there anything I can eat before bed that might help lower this overnight
 
Hello and welcome,

Can you let us know exactly when you test during the day? Are you testing before each meal and 2 hours after first bite? What levels during the day do you consider OK?

You say "breakfast check" but is this before or after? What levels do you see immediately before bed?

A little more information would help us.

I see from your profile you are just taking Metformin.
 
Hello and welcome,

Can you let us know exactly when you test during the day? Are you testing before each meal and 2 hours after first bite? What levels during the day do you consider OK?

You say "breakfast check" but is this before or after? What levels do you see immediately before bed?

A little more information would help us.

I see from your profile you are just taking Metformin.

I test with a GlucoMen Areo

Morning pre breakfast 8.7- 9.7
Morning Post Break 2 hours Ave 6.6
Evening pre meal 5.4 - 5.8
Evening Post meal ave 11.2
Before bed around 10

My nurse seems to be telling me my pre breakfast is a little high

Is there something I can eat before bed to try do something about that morning figure
yes metformine 2 tabs twice a day
 
Is there something I can eat before bed to try do something about that morning figure
yes metformine 2 tabs twice a day

Not a good idea if you are 10 when you go to bed. To be honest, not a good idea whatever your levels. 10 at bedtime is really high. I'm surprised your nurse didn't pick up on that.

You need to look at what you are eating for your evening meal. 11.2 is extremely high, especially as you start in the 5s. Any rise of more than 2mmol/l from before to after is because there are too many carbs in that meal. It is also clear to me that the 11 post meal is not coming down before you go to bed, so you are staying high for too long. Again, this will be down to too many carbs, and may well be one reason why your morning levels are high.

Your morning figure will drop when your insulin resistance improves. I would stop worrying about it for now and really concentrate on getting your post meal level right down. The rest will follow.
 
@Timbo50

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I have a problem at the moment with high blood sugar on waking. Doesn’t matter what level I am going to bed. Virtually carb free dinner not more than 10g and going to bed at 4.9. Get up at 7.30 and it’s up to 11.3 this morning. Happening a lot just now. My levels during the day before meals are 4 to 6?
 
I have a problem at the moment with high blood sugar on waking. Doesn’t matter what level I am going to bed. Virtually carb free dinner not more than 10g and going to bed at 4.9. Get up at 7.30 and it’s up to 11.3 this morning. Happening a lot just now. My levels during the day before meals are 4 to 6?

Maybe your insulin doses causing the problems? I am not an insulin user, but maybe it is your basal that doesn't last all night? Perhaps start a thread of your own and give details of which insulin regime you are on.
 
Maybe your insulin doses causing the problems? I am not an insulin user, but maybe it is your basal that doesn't last all night? Perhaps start a thread of your own and give details of which insulin regime you are on.
Thanks for the reply. I have adjusted basal rates and still having problems. I think this is a conundrum for my DSN at the hospital!
 
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