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Listlad said:
The first part of the program involved Sian Williams highlighting the sugar content in these “on the hoof” breakfast cereals. What was interesting was that whilst she used sugar cubes to illustrate her point she didn’t convert carbohydrates into sugar equivalents and was only going on added sugar.

One or two of the Dieticians comments were controversial.
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I found that showing the sugar in cubes, was a real eyeopener :wideyed:
 
Listlad said:
Me too. I found it interesting all round.
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The apples being up to a year long in storage, wow !! :wideyed:

I remember years ago, a friends sister worked evening's at a well known supermarket factory regarding meat, especially bacon ( I love bacon) back in the 1980's and the things she saw and had to cut off and trim for the shelves were not nice, she said if we really knew what went on behind the scenes, we wouldn't eat anything.......... I did not ask !! :wideyed::nailbiting:
 
Robinredbreast said:
Very true, especially in your first sentence, the rate that some people criticize and get worked up about it are are ones who could end up with medical conditions regarding stress and sore knee's too. On your marks, get set, criticize.............. :rolleyes:lol

I looked at the programme because Coeliac and free from foods were mentioned. The programme was 1 hour long, now it may or may not cover 'low carb' (or as I call it, reduced carbs) in the future, because, there are plenty of foods in the supermarket already. '
A 1 hour programme cannot cover all avenue's regarding dietary choices, requirements or medical conditions regarding food.
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I didn't see the programme but when I saw it advertised I knew there would be criticism on here about it especially if they did not mention low carb. As you say all we have to do is look at the normal foods in supermarkets and buy the appropriate foods for our own chosen carb level
 
Pinkorchid said:
I didn't see the programme but when I saw it advertised I knew there would be criticism on here about it especially if they did not mention low carb. As you say all we have to do is look at the normal foods in supermarkets and buy the appropriate foods for our own chosen carb level
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Next weeks programme, Thursday 14th, channel 5 @ 8pm, is lifting the lid on supermarket meat, revealing what's in a budget sausage and the conditions in which cheap, and pricier organic, chickens are raised !
 
Pinkorchid said:
Every time there is a food programme on TV some people here always find something to criticise in it. The most common complaint is it does not mention low carb. Just because a small percentage of diabetics most of who are on this group find it helpful some seem to think it should be the diet for everyone Most of the food programmes are demonised as being to high in carbs but they are not about low carb and why should they be. I do not think anyone would choose to eat the low carb way when they have no need to .How many here would go low carb if they did not have diabetes I know I wouldn't
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I guess it’s a matter of perspective. Every time the topic of food comes up on here all I see is open discussion, and then the same people criticising LCHF as though its proponents don’t have a right to promote it for fear of upsetting those who choose a different path. It’s rather ironic that your post is critiquing an entire subset of forum users with whom you disagree ;)
 
Pinkorchid said:
Every time there is a food programme on TV some people here always find something to criticise in it. The most common complaint is it does not mention low carb. Just because a small percentage of diabetics most of who are on this group find it helpful some seem to think it should be the diet for everyone Most of the food programmes are demonised as being to high in carbs but they are not about low carb and why should they be. I do not think anyone would choose to eat the low carb way when they have no need to .How many here would go low carb if they did not have diabetes I know I wouldn't
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I agree that we can't expect a mainstream programme to cater to a minority but those diagnosed with type 2 are just the tip of the iceberg and it is a big iceberg which on its' current trajectory will sink the NHS as we know it.
If a big minority of the population ( in the US estimated to be 66%) are diabetic t2 or pre -diabetic arguably because we've all been eating highly processed and sweet carby foods since the early 80s, when food manufacturers responded to public health guidance to reduce fat and we got too busy to cook.
Perhaps low carb just needs re branding to avoid its current reputation as being faddy, as REAL FOOD or how we use to eat before food came from factories rather than farms.
I like the emphasis of tv chefs like Tom Kerridge, Jamie Oliver and Hugh FW on cooking from scratch which even if it includes a few carbs will prevent problems for most of the population.
 
Eating fewer carbs makes diabetes irrelevant for many type twos.
Just imagine if a potential type two was encouraged to avoid all the high carb foods which are 'normal' now - never put on weight, never progressed to type two, never suffered from thrush, never needed the maintenance checks on eyes and feet - all the treatment for abscesses, nerve damage, all the amputations and stays in hospital - all reduced or minimised.
It was William Banting in the mid 1850s who publicised low carb for weightloss and good health - Dr Atkins 100 years later added type two diabetes into the picture - yet somehow the message is not getting through.
 
NicoleC1971 said:
I agree that we can't expect a mainstream programme to cater to a minority but those diagnosed with type 2 are just the tip of the iceberg and it is a big iceberg which on its' current trajectory will sink the NHS as we know it.
If a big minority of the population ( in the US estimated to be 66%) are diabetic t2 or pre -diabetic arguably because we've all been eating highly processed and sweet carby foods since the early 80s, when food manufacturers responded to public health guidance to reduce fat and we got too busy to cook.
Perhaps low carb just needs re branding to avoid its current reputation as being faddy, as REAL FOOD or how we use to eat before food came from factories rather than farms.
I like the emphasis of tv chefs like Tom Kerridge, Jamie Oliver and Hugh FW on cooking from scratch which even if it includes a few carbs will prevent problems for most of the population.
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I tend to think we are talking about a large minority or even a majority, the way things are trending.
 
Pinkorchid said:
we have to do is look at the normal foods in supermarkets
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And how would you define those precisely?
Fresh raw ingredients that aren't in a package perhaps..?
Like the foods consumed by people who follow a ketogenic way of eating maybe?
The ones that would probably benefit the majority of the population..... those "normal foods" ?
 
Listlad said:
I tend to think we are talking about a large minority or even a majority, the way things are trending.
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11% in China and 8-0% here but lots more un-diagnosed or pre diabetic. If we include those with the associated metabolic problems (fat in the wrong places even if slim, high blood pressure, low levels of good cholesterol) then I'd agree it is or will soon be a majority.
 
NicoleC1971 said:
11% in China and 8-0% here but lots more un-diagnosed or pre diabetic. If we include those with the associated metabolic problems (fat in the wrong places even if slim, high blood pressure, low levels of good cholesterol) then I'd agree it is or will soon be a majority.
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Don't they reckon that these days 12% of the US adult population is metabolically healthy
The other 88% are ill or becoming ill.. a frightening statistic.. watch out for US healthcare insures going bust!
 
NicoleC1971 said:
11% in China and 8-0% here but lots more un-diagnosed or pre diabetic. If we include those with the associated metabolic problems (fat in the wrong places even if slim, high blood pressure, low levels of good cholesterol) then I'd agree it is or will soon be a majority.
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Indeed. It’s like the Titanic and the iceberg.
 
Robinredbreast said:
Next weeks programme, Thursday 14th, channel 5 @ 8pm, is lifting the lid on supermarket meat, revealing what's in a budget sausage and the conditions in which cheap, and pricier organic, chickens are raised !
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And what about chlorinated chicken then eh? Do we have that to look forward to?
 
bulkbiker said:
Don't they reckon that these days 12% of the US adult population is metabolically healthy
The other 88% are ill or becoming ill.. a frightening statistic.. watch out for US healthcare insures going bust!
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I am never sure how they estimate the 'undiagnosed' other than that you extrapolate backwards from the diagnosed type 2s perhaps.....I think the US insurers just get out of whichever state they won't make a profit in thus leaving the ER to pick up the care OR they will whack up the premiums.
Fascinating to listen to the guy from SwissRe over at live stream Low Carb Denver (via Diet Doctor)! Seems to be suggesting some useful ideas given they have a direct profit motive!
 
NicoleC1971 said:
I am never sure how they estimate the 'undiagnosed' other than that you extrapolate backwards from the diagnosed type 2s perhaps.....I think the US insurers just get out of whichever state they won't make a profit in thus leaving the ER to pick up the care OR they will whack up the premiums.
Fascinating to listen to the guy from SwissRe over at live stream Low Carb Denver (via Diet Doctor)! Seems to be suggesting some useful ideas given they have a direct profit motive!
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Maybe they can come up with a guesstimate based partly on what many people are typically eating right now, a huge number crunching exercise but still doable.
 
bulkbiker said:
And how would you define those precisely?
Fresh raw ingredients that aren't in a package perhaps..?
Like the foods consumed by people who follow a ketogenic way of eating maybe?
The ones that would probably benefit the majority of the population..... those "normal foods" ?
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Normal foods like eggs, meat, fish, dairy like yogurt, cream, milk and cheese, vegetables, olives, avocados, olive oil and for those that eat it low carb bread all on the normal food shelves.
 
Listlad said:
Maybe they can come up with a guesstimate based partly on what many people are typically eating right now, a huge number crunching exercise but still doable.
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The thing is that many, many people can be insulin resistant for years (sometimes over a decade before symptoms or an MOT (for those like me who have no symptoms) throw up a problem. Add to this the fact that there are some non Diabetics who have a low measure of IR but who then do not develope Pre D or T2.
 
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