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Advice needed

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Type of diabetes
LADA
Treatment type
Insulin
Hi,

I started on insulin a week ago and find it difficult to get insulin to carb ratios right.

Advice when leaving hospital was to eat the same kind of meals I was eating when I was there.....
At the moment on basal/bolus insulin. Novorapid 6 units at breakfast, 8 units lunch and dinner, 14 units lantus at 10pm.

I'm more active as well since leaving hospital...

Any advice would be appreciated
 
Are you going high or low? They have you on fixed doses to try to work out your ratio and to bring numbers down slowly to avoid damage to your body.
 
Are you going high or low? They have you on fixed doses to try to work out your ratio and to bring numbers down slowly to avoid damage to your body.
Hi @Diakat

I seem to be going low in the afternoons to about 3.5mmol/l. I take 2 glucose tablets wait 20 mins and recheck. Then eat a slice of bread or biscuit but am around 11-12mmol before dinner at 6-7pm.
I'm afraid of going out and feeling weak
 
It sounds like your lunchtime dose might be a bit high. At this early stage you need to talk to your team rather than adjust it yourself though. It might be worth just having the glucose and not following u with the bread/biscuit and seeing if you stay in range.
Call your nurses on Mona d ask about carb counting and the afternoon lows.
 
It sounds like your lunchtime dose might be a bit high. At this early stage you need to talk to your team rather than adjust it yourself though. It might be worth just having the glucose and not following u with the bread/biscuit and seeing if you stay in range.
Call your nurses on Mona d ask about carb counting and the afternoon lows.
Thanks @Diakat
I called the nurse on Thursday and she reduced my units for the morning. Will definitely call again on Monday.
Don't have the confidence to adjust anything on my own.
 
Thanks @Diakat
I called the nurse on Thursday and she reduced my units for the morning. Will definitely call again on Monday.
Don't have the confidence to adjust anything on my own.
You’ll get there eventually but it is best not to rush yet. Carb counting and adjusting doses makes it easier in the long term.
 
Hi @Diakat

I seem to be going low in the afternoons to about 3.5mmol/l. I take 2 glucose tablets wait 20 mins and recheck. Then eat a slice of bread or biscuit but am around 11-12mmol before dinner at 6-7pm.
I'm afraid of going out and feeling weak

Hi there, when I was first diagnosed, like you they put me on 'fixed' amounts of insulin per meal based on what my 'usual' diet was. I think this is standard procedure as what they are doing is trying to work out your carb to insulin ratio and they can only do this by trial and error at first. The problem with that is that it is little more than a guess and as the weeks go on, YOU will discover for yourself how many units of insulin you need for each 10g of carbs (easier to work out that way).

In the meantime, you find yourself going low, as I did all the time, so you follow the hypo rules and eat a couple of glucose tablets immediately followed by 'long lasting' carbs. Your glucose tablets & bread or biscuits is probably around 30 carbs or more....so a reading of 3.5 (which is at the higher end of hypo if you like) takes you up to 11 or 12. Outside of hypo land, you would normally take insulin to cover 30g of carbs.

I know it is very confusing but in a month or so (maybe more, maybe less) you WILL settle into a routine that is right for you and this will be worked out by your own readings, your own patterns, your own experiments (including those based around what happens when you exercise or go to work or go to the shops, etc) and the help from your Diabetes team which is very important. You must contact them regularly as based on your reports back and readings, they will adjust your units to accommodate it. For example, if I go lower than 4 now, say at 3.5 I would have a glucose tablet (dependent upon whether my next meal was due) but I wouldn't follow it up with bread or a biscuit because I know that would take me far too high. If I was below 3 then yes, I might well have a biscuit or something under 15 carbs because I know I don't need to inject for that.

Once you are confident and more experienced you will be doing this yourself but in the early days you do need their help as insulin and its actions are not easy to combat. I never went out for about a month after diagnosis, I was afraid of falling to the floor, afraid of what might happen if I went hypo. Looking back now, I feel a bit foolish because I now know that yes, that might happen but chances are it won't because I am more experienced at knowing my body.

Of course, none of us can say do this do that because you have to get advice on medication & insulin from your team, but DO phone and speak to them, they can explain things to you and work out any adjustments to your doses. x
 
Hi there, when I was first diagnosed, like you they put me on 'fixed' amounts of insulin per meal based on what my 'usual' diet was. I think this is standard procedure as what they are doing is trying to work out your carb to insulin ratio and they can only do this by trial and error at first. The problem with that is that it is little more than a guess and as the weeks go on, YOU will discover for yourself how many units of insulin you need for each 10g of carbs (easier to work out that way).

In the meantime, you find yourself going low, as I did all the time, so you follow the hypo rules and eat a couple of glucose tablets immediately followed by 'long lasting' carbs. Your glucose tablets & bread or biscuits is probably around 30 carbs or more....so a reading of 3.5 (which is at the higher end of hypo if you like) takes you up to 11 or 12. Outside of hypo land, you would normally take insulin to cover 30g of carbs.

I know it is very confusing but in a month or so (maybe more, maybe less) you WILL settle into a routine that is right for you and this will be worked out by your own readings, your own patterns, your own experiments (including those based around what happens when you exercise or go to work or go to the shops, etc) and the help from your Diabetes team which is very important. You must contact them regularly as based on your reports back and readings, they will adjust your units to accommodate it. For example, if I go lower than 4 now, say at 3.5 I would have a glucose tablet (dependent upon whether my next meal was due) but I wouldn't follow it up with bread or a biscuit because I know that would take me far too high. If I was below 3 then yes, I might well have a biscuit or something under 15 carbs because I know I don't need to inject for that.

Once you are confident and more experienced you will be doing this yourself but in the early days you do need their help as insulin and its actions are not easy to combat. I never went out for about a month after diagnosis, I was afraid of falling to the floor, afraid of what might happen if I went hypo. Looking back now, I feel a bit foolish because I now know that yes, that might happen but chances are it won't because I am more experienced at knowing my body.

Of course, none of us can say do this do that because you have to get advice on medication & insulin from your team, but DO phone and speak to them, they can explain things to you and work out any adjustments to your doses. x

Thanks @KK123,
I can relate to being afraid of falling on the floor if having a hypo. I have felt like that a few times this week!

Will definitely call the DSN again on Monday.

I have gone out this week and it's been alright so far.

I was put on steroids for MS while in hospital so maybe after a few weeks the effect of them will wear off.
 
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