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Low Carbers - how strict are you?

Cocosilk

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I've read a few different opinions about how concerned people are with their post meal spikes ranging from one person who didn't mind seeing 9s and 10mmol as long as it went back to the 7s and 8s by 2 hours, down to those who think the rise should not be more than 2mmol from before the meal till 1 or 2 hours after (not sure if the 2 mmol includes the spike at around the 1 hour mark or if the 2 mmol is the total change 2 hours post meal.)

If you are the strictest low carber, would you be happy with this:

3pm (before eating) 4.8 mmol
Then I ate a small bowl of basmati rice and had a cup of miso soup.
4pm (peak I guess) 7.5
5pm ( 2 hours post) 6.2

Would you think that is completely acceptable, or would you aim for a lower rise, or would you allow yourself to eat more rice next time? Or are these levels completely normal and healthy for even a non-diabetic person?
 
Hi @Cocosilk,
I am Type 1 on very low carb and would be delighted by those results.

The only issue is that with using single blood test results it assumes that all other results during and
out to say, 4 hours are in range.

I usually expect any BSL rise from the protein in my meal to start showing up at about the 3 hours mark -
but my fingers would get pretty sore if I chose to test by meter every 1/2 hour from say 1 hour onwards!!

That is one of the reasons why I started a thread asking T1Ds, T3Ds and LADA ( on whatever diet and
who tend to use the continuous monitoring devices) when their peak BSLs after after meals.

Despite 88 'looks' so far no one seems willing to answer !!

So I am sorry I cannot relay more helpful news!! But for interest you might like to see on some occasions
what your BSLs are like at say, the 3 hours mark and 4 hours mark after a meal
(but not doing all 5 tests in one set) !!!

What I find interesting in m own experience of low carb diet is that when I feel hungry my BSL is using up near the 7.8 or above mark, in other words about to exceed or exceeding the limit.

And it is easy to try to fill that hunger with some cheese - except that that will still count in the crabs although not as much as carbs themselves and not so quickly !!

I find also that I am better on two meals per day which allows the food and insulin to be better spread through the day and less likely for one to interfere with the other.

If I get a little low in BSL and that is not usual and only mild say, 3.2 mmol/l for instance, I have to be careful not to overdo it with the glucose for treating the hypo - otherwise the 'see'saw' starts - the BSL goes up say, to 10 mmol/l, and I have to think about giving more insulin to bring it down - it becomes easy to slip out of being in ketosis - feel unwell and then have to reduce carbs and insulin back again - re-enter keto- and suffer the 'flu' symptoms again !!

The feeling of being in mild ketosis, with really non-diabetic range BSLs is wonderful and a good incentive to stay in the low crab/keto 'groove'!!
 
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Hi @Cocosilk,
I am Type 1 on very low carb and would be delighted by those results.

The only issue is that with using single blood test results it assumes that all other results during and
out to say, 4 hours are in range.

I usually expect any BSL rise from the protein in my meal to start showing up at about the 3 hours mark -
but my fingers would get pretty sore if I chose to test by meter every 1/2 hour from say 1 hour onwards!!

That is one of the reasons why I started a thread asking T1Ds, T3Ds and LADA ( on whatever diet and
who tend to use the continuous monitoring devices) when their peak BSLs after after meals.

Despite 88 'looks' so far no one seems willing to answer !!

So I am sorry I cannot relay more helpful news!! But for interest you might like to see on some occasions
what your BSLs are like at say, the 3 hours mark and 4 hours mark after a meal
(but not doing all 5 tests in one set) !!!

What I find interesting in m own experience of low carb diet is that when I feel hungry my BSL is using up near the 7.8 or above mark, in other words about to exceed or exceeding the limit.

And it is easy to try to fill that hunger with some cheese - except that that will still count in the crabs although not as much as carbs themselves and not so quickly !!

I find also that I am better on two meals per day which allows the food and insulin to be better spread through the day and less likely for one to interfere with the other.

If I get a little low in BSL and that is not usual and only mild say, 3.2 mmol/l for instance, I have to be careful not to overdo it with the glucose for treating the hypo - otherwise the 'see'saw' starts - the BSL goes up say, to 10 mmol/l, and I have to think about giving more insulin to bring it down - it becomes easy to slip out of being in ketosis - feel unwell and then have to reduce carbs and insulin back again - re-enter keto- and suffer the 'flu' symptoms again !!

The feeling of being in mild ketosis, with really non-diabetic range BSLs is wonderful and a good incentive to stay in the low crab/keto 'groove'!!

Wow, thanks for that detailed response! Forgive me, I'm not completely clear of how things work for a T1. I understand that you rely absolutely on insulin injections (there's another word for that..exogen...something?) so you really have to become good at predicting how much you will need depending on your carb intake, right? What I don't understand is the mechanism behind what causes your pre-meal readings to be as high as 7.8. Is that because your insulin has run low but your liver is pumping out glucose because you have not eaten for a number of hours?

I've only discovered my insulin resistance / diabetes since I fell pregnant. I won't know for sure if it was prediabetes or worse until the baby is born but I'm fairly sure insulin resistance is a given otherwise why would diabetes have manifested in pregnancy? And my fasting levels are the most stubborn ones, albeit, not terribly high, but they are stricter with pregnant women and I already know the baby is measuring a couple of weeks ahead for his age so it really does affect them, even though when I was diagnosed, I only scraped in with a fasting glucose of 5.1mmol. And it has hardly been over 5.6 mmol over the past few weeks since diagnosis but I've been put on nightly insulin, which is not doing much despite the dose being put up every week. So I worry if my fasting levels are impaired now, perhaps that will mean I am more likely headed for T2.

Out of curiosity, how many days of eating low or very low carb does it take you to get into ketosis? In pregnancy it happens really fast! I freaked myself out with a really purple keto stick one morning after really only one whole day of pretty much keto style meals the day before and an early finish on eating dinner. My BG was 6.0 mmol when I had 4 - 8 mmol of ketones, but I freaked out and ate something small and carby and watched that all reverse within an hour. I just wasn't sure if ketones in pregnancy was a good thing. Not sure how ketoacidosis manifests in someone with gestational diabetes. Perhaps it's only a concern for T1s who are pregnant. I'm still confused.

So for you the response after a meal can take 3 - 4 hours to come down again rather than 2 hours?
 
Hi @Cocosilk,
Just from my reading and experience as a T1D on low carb diet, not as professional advice or opinion:

With TID, once past the first year or so, I assume I had not endogenous, pancreas-produced insulin left.
So I was totally reliant on exogenous insulin by injection.

I have to gauge how much insulin to inject to keep BSLs after meals in check, and between meals as well,
including overnight.

Sometimes that delicate applecart tips too far and my BSL can be higher than desirable, say, before a meal,
or after , or overnight etc; or too low.

If my BSLs are high my injected insulin is less effective but usually it is only if at very high BSLs and I do
not increase my insulin enough that the fats start breaking down more quickly and the ketones level reach
a dangerous level.

That level with high BSLs and ketones, where the blood becomes too acidic = diabetic ketoacidosis.

But first thing in the morning having not eaten overnight my BSL can be in range but the body has started to
burn a little fat (--> mild ketone level) to make up for not sufficient coming from glucose.

Of course my liver can chime in with releasing some stored glucose but if I have sufficient insulin there and
my BSL is not too low it usually does not interfere !!
My insulin pump can help do that with its programmed release of insulin whilst i sleep!!

By having little in the way of carbs to affect my BSL in the first 2 hours or so after a meal, I do receive glucose
from my liver as it does a neat trick and converts some the the protein from my meal over into the glucose.
That glucose tends to come out into the bloodstream in less of a rush at about the 3 to 4 hour mark.
This timing fits in much better with the effect of my short-acting insulin.

Rather than eating lots of carb food and trying to take enough insulin at the right time to catch up with that
meal's effect on my BSL, I eat low carb/moderate protein/fat which best matches my insulin effect.

There is only so much I can do 'tweak' what my insulin does, I can do much more to tweak my diet.

It only took 50 + years on insulin to fully realise that but there were and are some organisations and people
who have a lot to answer for in keeping such revelations form me and others for so long. (another story)!!

When I go low carb (say less than 50 g) my body turns to burning fat more readily - but it takes about
4 to 5 days for me to note ketones regularly appearing on a blood test once I started on very low carb,
typically about less than 40 g carb - where 50% of protein is counted into the total figure.
I do not find I get higher than about 1.4 mmol/l in ketones.
For T1Ds we are advised to start worrying if ketones go to greater than 2 mmol/l but for others who have
endogenous insulin and appear to have no apparent danger of that changing rapidly, higher ketone levels
seem to be tolerated. You need to check whether there is a limit for you !!

I am guessing that with baby on board your body's supply of glucose is in high demand, so that with less
carbs in one's diet, your body might turn to burning fat more readily - you would need to check if this is
right, with your nurse and doctor.
And such demands on sugars require one's pancreas gland to work harder.
Maybe if you are born with a pancreas gland that does not function as well as others during the stress and
strain of pregnancy, insulin resistance results.
Once baby is born all may settle back but not always!!

For a lady who has T1D and is pregnant the demands of baby mean that her insulin dose and BSLs have to
be watched very carefully.

I do not have any proof to hand that ketones are good or bad for baby.
All I can think of is that Inuit and Laplander women on traditional zero carb diets have managed to survive
pregnancy and produce healthy babies for centuries.
Not that I am recommending that you join them to find out !!

But whatever diet one is on, there seem to be some minerals and vitamins which are important and I gather
supplements are recommended during pregnancy and breast feeding.

People used to wonder how Inuit and Laplander peoples having no fruit and little in the way of vegetables
could survive.
From my reading it appears that there is Vitamin C in some whale meat and that eating that uncooked
(perish the thought) gave those indigenous people their vitamin C.

I imagine that knowing that you do not have to eat uncooked whale meat could make everything in
pregnancy tolerable!!

Best Wishes:):):)
 
Thanks very much for sharing all of your wisdom and experience with me, Kitedoc! This forum is amazing for that! I wouldn't necessarily meet someone on the street who I could quiz about their diabetes and lifetime experience with it so I really appreciate hearing this part of your story!

I also feel fortunate to live at a time when you can google this and discover people giving talks on youtube about the whole low carb high fat (or at least higher fat than the previous generations were advised to eat), and getting to see the bigger picture on why the recommendations for diabetics remain as they do in the face of new evidence suggesting that limiting carbs is really the only sensible way to go.
There are a few who seem to think it's fine for pregnant women and baby as well, to be on low carb or keto. My OB was okay with me being low carb but the diabetes counsellor, who was the first person I saw after diagnosis, "poo-pooed" this "keto" fad and maintains that some carbs are important for a growing baby, and handed me a list of foods to eat that includes processed breakfast cereals like Weet Bix. I was always eating Vita Brits for years assuming them to be a healthy option as they had less added sugar than other cereals but it didn't take long of measuring my own BSL at home to realise what they were doing to me :p And why on earth would you keep eating something if it means you have to inject more and more insulin to manage it? Unless your doctors had convinced you that it was vital for your survival of course...

This morning I was reading study after study about the association between skipping meals (particularly breakfast) and impaired fasting glucose in otherwise seemingly healthy individuals. And in study after study they all seem to conclude that skipping meals is somehow the cause of impaired fasting glucose since most of those who did skip meals, had impaired fasting glucose. But now after hearing about the success some have with intermittent fasting and listening to some of the talks, particularly Jason Fung, there seems to be more convincing evidence that skipping meals will only help someone who has impaired fasting glucose so actually, those people who routinely skips meals (possibly because they just don't feel hungry) and probably just listening to their body and preventing a bad situation from worsening. But if they were then told to start eating those skipped meals again, it would actually lead them to health complications at an accelerated level.
I really believe this when I look at my own father, who has made it to his 80s. He's not without his problems and I think he has plenty of signs of hyperinsulinemia and insulin resistance but he "got away with" surviving this long despite a period of years in his midlife where he had coffee and cigarettes for breakfast followed by rum and cokes for lunch, but then ate a reasonably healthy dinner of meat / fish and vegetables, but also bread, potatoes and rice. He just didn't eat a lot of food mostly eating a proper meal once a day. I think if he had been overeating as well as drinking and smoking, he would have ended up with diabetes and heart disease before he got to 80.

On the topic of where to get vitamin C from if you are only eating meat, I saw a few claims from those on the increasingly popular carnivore diet that if you eat liver, you will be getting some vitamin C from that, and if you aren't eating other things, you won't be needing to deal with the inflammatory effects that many other food groups can have on our bodies, therefore, the need for vitamin C is reduced anyway. So the amount of vitamin C present in organ meats is probably enough for someone not to end up with scruvy. I'm not likely to test this theory while pregnant or breastfeeding though, nor do I feel the need (at present anyway) to completely give up vegetables along with all the carbs, so I'll happily get my vitamin C from red capsicum, raw cauliflower, broccoli and spinach if I have to avoid fruit sources. In any case, I wouldn't be able to stick to a sudden change to a carnivore diet. The cravings for sweets take a while to get over so weaning from added sugars, to the natural sweetness of vegetables seems like a more sustainable way to make the transition.

I'm still not there yet. It's been just over 5 weeks since diagnosis and I was craving sweet this morning and ended up making for breakfast a homemade custard of 3 whole eggs, milk, cream, vanilla bean paste, cinnamon and sweetening it with a teasp of honey, but I'm in trouble now from that - I've just measured the one hour spike after that breakfast (and sitting in front of the computer instead of moving around) and I'm at 8.0 mmol... So if I want to get that back below the 6.7 mmol target in the next hour, I might have to get off this chair and get active! Maybe it was 1.5 teaspns of honey by the time I got the flavour I was craving, and the vanilla bean paste also has a little added sugar, so it may have just eaten 10g or more of carbs right there :p . Naughty, naughty... It's a long road ahead for me obviously. But I don't usually have homemade custard for breakfast, it's usually just eggs, cheese, avocado, tomato, mushrooms if I am feeling extra hungry, so there is hope yet I think!

And yes, I'm certainly happy not to have to eat raw whale meat :D . I do enjoy lamb's fry though so if I was to go very low carb, I'd surely be eating that semi-regularly.

Thanks again for sharing your wisdom!
 
Hi @Cocosilk,
Just from my reading and experience as a T1D on low carb diet, not as professional advice or opinion:

With TID, once past the first year or so, I assume I had not endogenous, pancreas-produced insulin left.
So I was totally reliant on exogenous insulin by injection.

I have to gauge how much insulin to inject to keep BSLs after meals in check, and between meals as well,
including overnight.

Sometimes that delicate applecart tips too far and my BSL can be higher than desirable, say, before a meal,
or after , or overnight etc; or too low.

If my BSLs are high my injected insulin is less effective but usually it is only if at very high BSLs and I do
not increase my insulin enough that the fats start breaking down more quickly and the ketones level reach
a dangerous level.

That level with high BSLs and ketones, where the blood becomes too acidic = diabetic ketoacidosis.

But first thing in the morning having not eaten overnight my BSL can be in range but the body has started to
burn a little fat (--> mild ketone level) to make up for not sufficient coming from glucose.

Of course my liver can chime in with releasing some stored glucose but if I have sufficient insulin there and
my BSL is not too low it usually does not interfere !!
My insulin pump can help do that with its programmed release of insulin whilst i sleep!!

By having little in the way of carbs to affect my BSL in the first 2 hours or so after a meal, I do receive glucose
from my liver as it does a neat trick and converts some the the protein from my meal over into the glucose.
That glucose tends to come out into the bloodstream in less of a rush at about the 3 to 4 hour mark.
This timing fits in much better with the effect of my short-acting insulin.

Rather than eating lots of carb food and trying to take enough insulin at the right time to catch up with that
meal's effect on my BSL, I eat low carb/moderate protein/fat which best matches my insulin effect.

There is only so much I can do 'tweak' what my insulin does, I can do much more to tweak my diet.

It only took 50 + years on insulin to fully realise that but there were and are some organisations and people
who have a lot to answer for in keeping such revelations form me and others for so long. (another story)!!

When I go low carb (say less than 50 g) my body turns to burning fat more readily - but it takes about
4 to 5 days for me to note ketones regularly appearing on a blood test once I started on very low carb,
typically about less than 40 g carb - where 50% of protein is counted into the total figure.
I do not find I get higher than about 1.4 mmol/l in ketones.
For T1Ds we are advised to start worrying if ketones go to greater than 2 mmol/l but for others who have
endogenous insulin and appear to have no apparent danger of that changing rapidly, higher ketone levels
seem to be tolerated. You need to check whether there is a limit for you !!

I am guessing that with baby on board your body's supply of glucose is in high demand, so that with less
carbs in one's diet, your body might turn to burning fat more readily - you would need to check if this is
right, with your nurse and doctor.
And such demands on sugars require one's pancreas gland to work harder.
Maybe if you are born with a pancreas gland that does not function as well as others during the stress and
strain of pregnancy, insulin resistance results.
Once baby is born all may settle back but not always!!

For a lady who has T1D and is pregnant the demands of baby mean that her insulin dose and BSLs have to
be watched very carefully.

I do not have any proof to hand that ketones are good or bad for baby.
All I can think of is that Inuit and Laplander women on traditional zero carb diets have managed to survive
pregnancy and produce healthy babies for centuries.
Not that I am recommending that you join them to find out !!

But whatever diet one is on, there seem to be some minerals and vitamins which are important and I gather
supplements are recommended during pregnancy and breast feeding.

People used to wonder how Inuit and Laplander peoples having no fruit and little in the way of vegetables
could survive.
From my reading it appears that there is Vitamin C in some whale meat and that eating that uncooked
(perish the thought) gave those indigenous people their vitamin C.

I imagine that knowing that you do not have to eat uncooked whale meat could make everything in
pregnancy tolerable!!

Best Wishes:):):)

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Thank you @Cocosilk for sharing your wisdom and experience too! It sounds like honey is not a friendly food for you !!
I like to include fish in my diet to ensure I am receiving iodine (and I gather baby needs iodine throughout pregnancy), the veggies give folate, iron and as you have noted vitamin C. Eggs for B12, iron, protein.
Sunshine, fish, dairy, eggs for vitamin D.
I count 50% of my protein as part of the carb count. But for you it sounds important to not restrict good food in order to control BSLs.
Perhaps see what your nurse and doctor says - if your good diet and pregnancy are causing your pancreas gland to become overloaded, some form of treatment might be needed!!
 
Not strict at all in the sense of avoiding temptation, but I reckon I’m almost always under 20g and often 10g. It doesn’t require any effort for me. I just naturally avoid sugars & grains and don’t miss them. It’s second nature now. Haven’t seen a glucose reading higher than six since some time last year.
 
Not strict at all in the sense of avoiding temptation, but I reckon I’m almost always under 20g and often 10g. It doesn’t require any effort for me. I just naturally avoid sugars & grains and don’t miss them. It’s second nature now. Haven’t seen a glucose reading higher than six since some time last year.
Does that mean even 1 hour after eating you're only on 6? I think the one day managed to eat only eggs, meat, dairy and vegetables, I was in the 5s and 6s after meals but the next day when I saw 4 -8 mmol of ketones, I got a bit surprised and grabbed a carb and after that I craved more. If I wasn't pregnant I wouldn't havr cared but I doubt I would get into ketosis after a day anyway. I do miss the carbs still now. I wonder how long it takes to stop craving them when you've had a sweet tooth all of your life..
 
Does that mean even 1 hour after eating you're only on 6? I think the one day managed to eat only eggs, meat, dairy and vegetables, I was in the 5s and 6s after meals but the next day when I saw 4 -8 mmol of ketones, I got a bit surprised and grabbed a carb and after that I craved more. If I wasn't pregnant I wouldn't havr cared but I doubt I would get into ketosis after a day anyway. I do miss the carbs still now. I wonder how long it takes to stop craving them when you've had a sweet tooth all of your life..

I very rarely test postprandial these days, as I know that nothing I eat is worthy of concern. But yeah, on the odd occasion I do check after a meal I do not see more than six. I think my highest recorded value this year is 5.9mmol/L

With regards to cravings, I found that they persisted until I cut all sugars and grains. Since that day I have no desire at all.
 
Hi @Cocosilk
What blood glucose targets have your health team set for you?

I very low carb, and my carb intake varies from 0g, up to 30 or 40g on a rare exceptional day. It is usually 10g or less.
The reason I’m telling you this is to show you that sometimes comparing yourself to others can be a bit pointless.
So far, you have had responses from three people with VERY different situations from your own gestational diabetes.
When I stick to the lower end of my daily carb intake, my blood glucose can vary by as little as 1.5mmol/l all day. When I eat more, and those carbs are quick release, i can go much higher.

As a general guide, you may well find the loose idea of no more than a 2mmol/l rise at 2 hours after eating AND no higher than 7.8mmol/l at any time, is a good thing. But your insulin resistance is a key factor in what measures are needed to control blood glucose, and each of us (including you, me, @kitedoc and @Jim Lahey ) have different amounts of insulin resistance. And yours will vary over your pregnancy.

Have you come across the Jenny Ruhl website www.bloodsugar101.com ?
She does a very good job at explaining the consequences of running blood glucose levels higher than ‘normal’ and what ‘normal’ looks like. From there, you can make an informed choice about your own targets, factoring in your healthcare team’s advice, where relevant.
 
I’m not sure many test after 1hr as the standard advice is after 2hrs. Certainly what ive done and I’m sure that at the hour mark there will have been higher numbers but everyone diabetic or not will rise with food. It’s about being able to return to normal in a decent amount of time. On that basis I aim to be as close to where I started as possible after 2 hrs as the goal. I most of my meals put me less than 1mmol higher. Occasionally it reaches the 2mmol. But I usually know why and it’s not a frequent event. I’m not at all happy if it’s more than that and don’t repeat that food. At the same time the overall highest I’d want to see is 7.8 so if I’m starting higher then I adjust what I eat accordingly.

So your readings would be ok for me with a 1.4 rise and under 7.8. The rice wouldn’t be on my menu though as I wouldn’t get the same readings.
 
I’m not sure many test after 1hr as the standard advice is after 2hrs. Certainly what ive done and I’m sure that at the hour mark there will have been higher numbers but everyone diabetic or not will rise with food. It’s about being able to return to normal in a decent amount of time. On that basis I aim to be as close to where I started as possible after 2 hrs as the goal. I most of my meals put me less than 1mmol higher. Occasionally it reaches the 2mmol. But I usually know why and it’s not a frequent event. I’m not at all happy if it’s more than that and don’t repeat that food. At the same time the overall highest I’d want to see is 7.8 so if I’m starting higher then I adjust what I eat accordingly.

So your readings would be ok for me with a 1.4 rise and under 7.8. The rice wouldn’t be on my menu though as I wouldn’t get the same readings.

I’m finding a lot of the time my numbers are lower after eating. Is that normal?

So I might be 5.6 then after 2 hrs I’m 5.4
 
I at some green veggies and coconut roti that could count in carbs.
I would say approx 20gm or 30gm but enough to be in ketosis, I just check my BG after two egg omelette as roti and chicken masala and some curd it was 88mg/dl. I am in ketosis I don't want to spike at all.
Since in keto I haven't seen above 96mg/dl.
 
I’m finding a lot of the time my numbers are lower after eating. Is that normal?

So I might be 5.6 then after 2 hrs I’m 5.4

Yes, that is the kind of thing to aim for. At or around the pre meal reading so well done!
 
Hi @Cocosilk
What blood glucose targets have your health team set for you?

I very low carb, and my carb intake varies from 0g, up to 30 or 40g on a rare exceptional day. It is usually 10g or less.
The reason I’m telling you this is to show you that sometimes comparing yourself to others can be a bit pointless.
So far, you have had responses from three people with VERY different situations from your own gestational diabetes.
When I stick to the lower end of my daily carb intake, my blood glucose can vary by as little as 1.5mmol/l all day. When I eat more, and those carbs are quick release, i can go much higher.

As a general guide, you may well find the loose idea of no more than a 2mmol/l rise at 2 hours after eating AND no higher than 7.8mmol/l at any time, is a good thing. But your insulin resistance is a key factor in what measures are needed to control blood glucose, and each of us (including you, me, @kitedoc and @Jim Lahey ) have different amounts of insulin resistance. And yours will vary over your pregnancy.

Have you come across the Jenny Ruhl website www.bloodsugar101.com ?
She does a very good job at explaining the consequences of running blood glucose levels higher than ‘normal’ and what ‘normal’ looks like. From there, you can make an informed choice about your own targets, factoring in your healthcare team’s advice, where relevant.

I realise we are all in different situations with our diabetes. I was just making conversation really. Even in my own situation, as you said, in pregnancy, it varies as you go along, so what happened a couple of weeks ago is a little different now, also because my nightly insulin dose has been increased steadily to deal with my rising fasting glucose.

I gave myself an 8.0 mmol at one hour post meal yesterday and for the lat 20 mins of my 2 hour post meal window, I got up and vacuumed the floor to see if I could work it off. Well, being almost 35 weeks pregnant apparently helps burn it off because by the 2 hour mark, I was apparently back to 6.0 mmol, which is within the target I was given of 6.7 mmol 2 hours post meal. But my medical team have not stipulated a 1 hour spike limit. I only know that last time I had an 8.5 mmol at 1 hour, I was still 7.3 mmol at 2 hours. But it was rice and sourdough rye bread, which must take longer to metabolise than a spoon of honey. All a learning experience.

Out of curiosity, what do your typical meals look like if you are having up to 30 or 40 grams of carbs in a day?
 
I very rarely test postprandial these days, as I know that nothing I eat is worthy of concern. But yeah, on the odd occasion I do check after a meal I do not see more than six. I think my highest recorded value this year is 5.9mmol/L

With regards to cravings, I found that they persisted until I cut all sugars and grains. Since that day I have no desire at all.

Good to know!
 
I realise we are all in different situations with our diabetes. I was just making conversation really. Even in my own situation, as you said, in pregnancy, it varies as you go along, so what happened a couple of weeks ago is a little different now, also because my nightly insulin dose has been increased steadily to deal with my rising fasting glucose.

I gave myself an 8.0 mmol at one hour post meal yesterday and for the lat 20 mins of my 2 hour post meal window, I got up and vacuumed the floor to see if I could work it off. Well, being almost 35 weeks pregnant apparently helps burn it off because by the 2 hour mark, I was apparently back to 6.0 mmol, which is within the target I was given of 6.7 mmol 2 hours post meal. But my medical team have not stipulated a 1 hour spike limit. I only know that last time I had an 8.5 mmol at 1 hour, I was still 7.3 mmol at 2 hours. But it was rice and sourdough rye bread, which must take longer to metabolise than a spoon of honey. All a learning experience.

Out of curiosity, what do your typical meals look like if you are having up to 30 or 40 grams of carbs in a day?

Most of my days are simply skipping breakfast, a light protein/fat lunch (like smoked mackerel) and then a heavier protein evening meal (like pork shoulder or minced beef). I haven’t eaten veg for around 15 months, since I had a tummy bug which left me with a problem with fibre.

So a higher carb day would be the exception, and I kep to low fibre too. We went out for dinner to catch up with a friend. I ordered the cheese and bacon double patty burger, no bun. 100% beef. It came with the usual gubbins. Of which I left the tomato, the lettuce, the gherkin wedge (even though this place has the mildest most crunchily perfect gherkins. Lol). I left the chips too. But I did eat a single mouthful of their excellent coleslaw and a couple of their huge beer battered onion rings which are exquisite, dusted with cumin - and are the reason we go there. :D

Didn’t test that particular meal. However, wearing the Libre for these burgers in the past has taught me that I am likely to brush the high 7s/low 8s for approx 20 mins (when the onion rings hit). My peaks are never at 1 hour, and are usually at 2.5 hours. The rest of the time I just hang around the high 5s and 6s.

There was gluten in the onion rings too, of course. I am usually gluten free because it gives me psoriasis, painful joints, gut issues and wangy blood glucose. These symptoms arrived (quite mildly), right on schedule over the next few days, then left again, equally on schedule. Blood glucose was more up-and-down for about 5 days, but since I just went straight back to my usual less than 10g carbs a day, this was barely noticeable.

Not something I do regularly, but it is an acceptable rarity, and I do love those onion rings... ;)

Another example of a higher carb day was yesterday. This time, it was a gluten free low carb bread that Mr B and I are testing out. He really misses bread. I don’t. I had 2 slices of the stuff (1.3g carbs and 5 g fibre per slice) with peanut butter on top (heaven knows how much carb, but I was generous). Then with my evening meal I had 7 g carbs in 72% choc. Am currently waiting to see what effect the fibre will have...

Sorry for all the detail, but I was trying to explain that I tend to make conscious choices when I eat carbs, factoring in things like portion, rarety, pleasure, fat, fibre, rate of digestion, gut consequences, availability of toilets the next day. I can’t ‘fill up on veg’ any more, so I tend to eat v small portions of intensely pleasurable carbs instead. To relieve the sameness of my otherwise carnivorous existence. :D
 
"Sorry for all the detail, but I was trying to explain that I tend to make conscious choices when I eat carbs, factoring in things like portion, rarety, pleasure, fat, fibre, rate of digestion, gut consequences, availability of toilets the next day. I can’t ‘fill up on veg’ any more, so I tend to eat v small portions of intensely pleasurable carbs instead. To relieve the sameness of my otherwise carnivorous existence. :D"

re "all the detail", I disagree since often the devil can be found in the detail. Because of this , I found your post very very useful and I am sure others will also .Brava!!!
 
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