2 Years Low Carb - Wanting to Quit?

[Brunneria]

I am sorry if I have sounded annoying. I just never heard of someone performing way better by drinking pure glucose at a high carb count compared to lower carb count from complex carbs. I certainly have failed my OGTT twice and it was pretty clear that there are issues.

But also: your body does not absorb anything else but glucose. If you eat complex carbs, they break down to glucose and are sent to the bloodstream. Blood flows around beta cells and they sense increase in BG, so they dump insulin.

I also never heard of pancreas just stopping to produce insulin with age. I tried to google something like that months ago and they always claim it is due to some misfortune like pancreatitis that it can happen. Pancreas won't fail unless something is attacking it.

But yes, I honestly were ok on low carb until I got hit with kidney stones, so got scared into dropping it.

Different people react differently to different carbs.
My theory is that it is to do with food intolerances, but of course I lack the resources to run comprehensive studies to investigate my theory.

However, in my case, I am mildly intolerant to cows’ milk, and get a far higher bg rise from cow yogurt than I do from the same carb/fat/protein portion of sheep or goats’ yog.
Likewise, I am most definitely gluten intolerant, and for a period of several days after ingesting gluten, my blood glucose levels are much more ‘reactive’ and extreme, both high and low, than they are without gluten.

There are a number of different theories around, including gut permeability affecting the autoimmune system, and gut flora affecting food digestion and absorption. Again, I lack access to resources to investigate comprehensively.

It was the Libre and close observation which allowed me to spot these ‘ideosyncracies’.
They were not identifiable by prick testing.

I suspect that there are many other people out there with similar intolerances affecting their health in various ways.

 

[CrumblingWall]

I am plotting some graphs here so you guys can see how it looks like:

Glucose Tolerance Test under ketogenic diet (2 years ago)



A meal consisting of around 25g of carbs:



The dips are me walking outside. The rise back to above 7 is me laying in bed.

 

[halfpint]

I am sorry if I have sounded annoying. I just never heard of someone performing way better by drinking pure glucose at a high carb count compared to lower carb count from complex carbs. I certainly have failed my OGTT twice and it was pretty clear that there are issues.

But also: your body does not absorb anything else but glucose. If you eat complex carbs, they break down to glucose and are sent to the bloodstream. Blood flows around beta cells and they sense increase in BG, so they dump insulin.

I also never heard of pancreas just stopping to produce insulin with age. I tried to google something like that months ago and they always claim it is due to some misfortune like pancreatitis that it can happen. Pancreas won't fail unless something is attacking it.

But yes, I honestly were ok on low carb until I got hit with kidney stones, so got scared into dropping it.

No, you are not annoying, this disease is blooming frustrating. Perhaps I should have said that I am also quite small and basically only ate one LC meal a day, and worked about 8-9 hrs a day running a plant nursery doing loads of physical work, so was pretty much out of glycogen by late morning when I would have had the test, therefore glycogen stores greatly diminished. Its the only explanation that makes any sense, that these were replaced by direct absorption, not burned by muscle cells or anything else. Interesting though.

 

[halfpint]

It usually doesn't just stop, it just diminishes, meaning that the first phase (the insulin that is already waiting and ready to go in the pancreas) release is smaller and therefore not that great in bringing down your BG level, which leaves a much higher BG level for the slower second phase to sort out. Throw in a bit of insulin resistance and you get nasty spikes.

 

[pluto1a]

Like DCUKMod I am also impressed that your FT3 was even tested and also feel it is the most important thyroid hormone test to be done. Your level is very low and I feel would make quite a difference to your diabetes level. In February 2019 I changed to Natural Dessicated Thyroid after suffering badly when Levothyroxine was changed in 2010. I also began to get to a pre-diabetes stage, but this reverted to my previous non-diabetes state by mid 2019. More information can be found on Thyroid UK website.

I joined this site because my special needs son has Type2 diabetes. Agan, I feel this could be better if his FT3 was higher. His FT3 is 3.9 (3.1 - 6.8). Mine has reverted back to what it always was prior to 2010 (from4.3) to 5.7 (3.1 - 6.8). My HbA1c is nw 41.5 and I amstill working on this, but not with too low a LC diet for the reason yu mention.

 

[CrumblingWall]

Like DCUKMod I am also impressed that your FT3 was even tested and also feel it is the most important thyroid hormone test to be done. Your level is very low and I feel would make quite a difference to your diabetes level. In February 2019 I changed to Natural Dessicated Thyroid after suffering badly when Levothyroxine was changed in 2010. I also began to get to a pre-diabetes stage, but this reverted to my previous non-diabetes state by mid 2019. More information can be found on Thyroid UK website.

I joined this site because my special needs son has Type2 diabetes. Agan, I feel this could be better if his FT3 was higher. His FT3 is 3.9 (3.1 - 6.8). Mine has reverted back to what it always was prior to 2010 (from4.3) to 5.7 (3.1 - 6.8). My HbA1c is nw 41.5 and I amstill working on this, but not with too low a LC diet for the reason yu mention.

I tested this myself because I did the homework on what is important. All of the tests I do are paid out of pocket. I do them back in Eastern Europe, usually costs around 80EUR, includes a lot of tests.My level is low because of lack of carbs. My level was at the very top range in 2017 June when tested (also out of pocket). It is after low carb that my thyroid went downhill.

It usually doesn't just stop, it just diminishes, meaning that the first phase (the insulin that is already waiting and ready to go in the pancreas) release is smaller and therefore not that great in bringing down your BG level, which leaves a much higher BG level for the slower second phase to sort out. Throw in a bit of insulin resistance and you get nasty spikes.

Maybe. Anyways, here is what I don't understand then. Endocrinologist claims my BG goes high because my insulin production is low. But then it should have been even lower back in 2017 because it was 0.68 ng/ml c-peptide, now it is 1.0 ng/ml. What I changed during the time is simply eat more food, though quite low in carbs. It also seemed to me that endocrinologist does not know that people in ketosis have higher fasting blood glucose, I told her that main has always been above 5 and less than 6. I literally never see numbers in 4s anymore, even after overnight fast. I think she attributes my fasting levels to diminished c-peptide. Which could be the case. But it also is the case that people in ketosis have higher fastings. It is well-documented on the webs. But to be fair, endocrinologists know best. I only know about other people cases where they experience such phenomena, and are alright otherwise.

My game plan is: on Monday, I will do 4 antibodies tests (self-pay, quite cheap actually I was surprised), then wait until they are back. If positive, then I will get on with insulin via my UK GP with proof things have changed. If negative, then ask for ZnT8 tests (not done in my home country, only in UK). If negative, then start increasing carb levels, then take OGTT again. (notice I want to avoid OGTT if possible because I hated the experience). If failed, diabetes it is and I simply get on with treatment, whatever the cause. We might explore MODY but honestly it is so remote possibility that I won't even consider it.