Type 1 Libre 3

BadaBing

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For anyone who lives in Greater London, on 5 October 2022 the NHS London Clinical Network for Diabetes (a group consisting of clinicians, patients and system partners) issued guidance ("A pan-London implementation document for continuous glucose sensors for adults with T1 diabetes: written pathway") to all integrated care boards and secondary care to indicate how the new NICE guidelines NG17, issued on 1st April 2022, ought to be implemented in London.

As far as the Libre 3, Dexcom G7, Dexcom G6 are concerned, the guidance issued says that if a diabetic patient demonstrates (a) problematic hypoglycaemia, or (b) is pregnant and has problematic hypoglycaemia, or (c) is using or will in the future use an automated insulin delivery system/closed loop/insulin pump where the cgm is (or will be) compatible with the insulin delivery system, etc and/or (d) there is a clinical need to have a family member, friend or other carer have access to their glucose data, then clinicians should consider offering patients access to the appropriate cgm.

"Problematic hypoglycaemia" is defined in the guidance as either:

1. One or more episodes of severe hypoglycaemia in the preceding 12 months; and/or

2. Impaired hypoglycaemia awareness (score ≥ 4 Gold score); and/or

3. More than one episode of asymptomatic hypoglycaemia per week;

4. Fear of hypoglycaemia

The guidance goes on to indicate that those who don't fall within the above criteria should be offered other continous glucose monitors or flash glucose monitors which are available on prescription.

They have included a very useful flowchart that suggests the decision -making process.

This guidance has apparently been rolled out to the various Greater London ICBs and secondary care.

It will be interesting to see to what extent this guidance is adopted outside Greater London.
 
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how would i go about getting a freestyle 3
If you are in England, I recommend reviewing the NICE guidelines. They are similar to the criteria @BadaBing describes above for Greater London. Google is your friend to find the exact wording.
Once you are satisfied that you qualify for Libre 3 according to these guidelines , you need to talk to you DSN or endocrinologist. I do not believe a GP can prescribe Libre 3.

The criteria for Libre 3 are the same as those for Dexcom 6 and 7 and are stricter than Libre 2. For example, I have choice of losing Hypo awareness (and losing my driving license) or getting pregnant. I don’t fancy either but I am intrigued what would happen with the second criteria once I had given birth.

As mentioned in most Libre 3 thread on the forum, they are not available to purchase.
 

Carl W

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After my request.. the reply from my GP is:
'Dear Mr ... we cannot currently issue Libre 3 as our systems have not been updated to prescribe the same. I have issued some Libre 2 in the interim.'
This is in the west midlands. Not the most informative answer tbf!

I think prescriptions of the libre 3 sensor come into affect in December this year, but don’t quote me on that! I myself am in wales so I can’t really comment how things are done in England etc. sorry
 
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I think prescriptions of the libre 3 sensor come into affect in December this year, but don’t quote me on that! I myself am in wales so I can’t really comment how things are done in England etc. sorry
Unfortunately, it is often said that different CCGs work at different speeds. I believe the NICE guidelines which mention Libre 3 came into affect in March/April of this year. These are only guidelines and even the best CCG will take some time to get their systems updated and funded arranged to prescribe something new.
 

BadaBing

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Apparently in countries such as Germany, where the Libre 3 is more readily available than is the case in the UK, Abbott are already planning to discontinue the Libre 2. As I understand it the reason for discontinuing the Libre 2 is because it is significantly more expensive to make than the Libre 3.

It will be interesting to see whether Abbott push to do similar in the UK in the near-medium term.
 
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Finnlee

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Apparently in countries such as Germany, where the Libre 3 is more readily available than is the case in the UK, Abbott are already planning to discontinue the Libre 2.
I'm in Germany and earlier this year, my insurance said everyone with FreeStyle Libre 2 would be switched to FSL 3 by the end of the year.

I'm not sure if that means FSL 2 will be discontinued, though. At the moment, FSL 2 is still available to purchase in cash on the freestylelibre.de website, as is FSL 1. And whether you buy FSL 1, 2 or 3, a sensor still costs €59.90 if not on prescription.

I've already got a batch of 3s and they're great, but the alarm sound in the app is absolutely horrible. I'm going back to using the FSL 3 reader after my current sensor finishes solely because the app's alarm sound and volume can't be changed. The alarm is so loud it hurts my ears and makes my heart race for an hour after. That's the only downside of FSL 3 that I've found so far, and that's only with the app - activating the sensor with the reader avoids that issue.
 

barrym

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Assuming it's the same as the L2, you can change the sounds. It's not configurable to play a different file, but if you replace the 3 LL files with 3 of your choice you'll get a quieter life;).

Can't remeber the file locations off hand but can find them if you want.

edit: /storage/emulated/0/Notifications/FreeStyle LibreLink - *
 

richyb

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The requirements are beyond just the OS version. You need NFC to start the sensor. Not all Android phones have this capability.
I have the cheap Samsung A10 it has NFC and is a good reliable phone. But not easy to scan libre2. But it is 4years old. I like it..
 

szanielec

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Hi all,

Android phones are compatible with libre sensors and most of them, if not all of them are cheaper than iOS. I have been a loyal user to iOS for so many years and it stopped along with libre one. iOS was supporting libre app and nothing else. There was a short episode with another developer app but iOS stopped supporting it quickly.

At the same time, Android was offering xdrip. Readings were not ideal even with frequent calibration, but it was close. The biggest advantage was early warning and alarms. First series of libre was working like proper CGM for me. Incl alarms and constant reading to my phone and watch. One-off purchase of signal transmitter miao-miao, which was attached to libre sensor and it was working like a dream for years.

I have now switched to libre 2. Transmitter is not compatible anymore. Only libre alarms which I find a bit disappointing. Abbott still didn't work out how to send readings to the app without scanning every 8hrs. Libre 3 out of reach, but will be chasing.
 

Roppa

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A cheap android phone would not necessarily cut it as not all android phones are compatible
You need an Android phone with NFC (near field communication) to use Libre sensors. As long as a new phone has this feature it will work. Not all phones have NFC so make sure you check the phone for this before you buy one.
 

Jawa75

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Hi I was given two as a sample from my consultant both did not stick well and fell off within a couple of days waiting for replacements from Libra
The good side is you don't have to keep scanning so very discreet and they are quite a bit smaller and seem quite accurate was hoping they would help with my hypos as I'm not aware of them happening
I will try again when I get replacements
Noticed quite a few are having this problem so hopefully Libra will look into it xx
 

Dwinteruk

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Here are a few models known to be compatible with the libre app .
But to be sure it would be advisable to contact Abbotts customer support and enquire about any phone you decide on.
Abbotts compatibility list gives only phones they have tested them selves.

Android Model:
Samsung Galaxy A7, A20, A21, A30, A32 5G, A41, A52 5G, Feel2, Note8, Note9, Note10+, Note20 Ultra 5G, S7 Edge, S8, S8+, S9, S10, S9+, S10+, S20, S21 5G, S21 5G Olympic Games Edition.

Google Pixel, Pixel 2, Pixel 2 XL, Pixel 3, Pixel 3 XL, Pixel 4, Pixel 4 XL.

LG Nexus 5X, style2, style3.

Sony Xperia 1, 1 II, 5, 5 II, 8, 10 II, 10 III, Ace II.


Operating System (Android):

7.1, 8, 9, 10, 11, 12, 12.1.

All quite expensive phones I ended up switching to iPhone as My Android phone simply just would not work with the app.
I ordered a Google phone, may have been the 3 ..had to return it, as the NFC wouldn't read my Abbott sensor ..not sure if the new models now work? I switched to a Samsung galaxy s20 phone, which I have kept and has been reliable ever since, only use this as a reader, hope that helps.
 

iallaway

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Here are a few models known to be compatible with the libre app .
But to be sure it would be advisable to contact Abbotts customer support and enquire about any phone you decide on.
Abbotts compatibility list gives only phones they have tested them selves.

Android Model:
Samsung Galaxy A7, A20, A21, A30, A32 5G, A41, A52 5G, Feel2, Note8, Note9, Note10+, Note20 Ultra 5G, S7 Edge, S8, S8+, S9, S10, S9+, S10+, S20, S21 5G, S21 5G Olympic Games Edition.

Google Pixel, Pixel 2, Pixel 2 XL, Pixel 3, Pixel 3 XL, Pixel 4, Pixel 4 XL.

LG Nexus 5X, style2, style3.

Sony Xperia 1, 1 II, 5, 5 II, 8, 10 II, 10 III, Ace II.


Operating System (Android):

7.1, 8, 9, 10, 11, 12, 12.1.

All quite expensive phones I ended up switching to iPhone as My Android phone simply just would not work with the app.
Hi I have a samsung A33 and according to the app my phone is not supported. As I drive a lorry the Libre 3 would be better for me. I tried the Dexcom G6 and found it not very reliable, so not too sure about the G7, but that also not compatible to the samsung A33
 

deniski

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I hope that we won’t be forced to buy smartphones just to get blood sugars results ?
I have an old Nokia for telephoning and texts, I can’t afford to buy a newish smartphone.
 

Zinadane

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I also put a request into my local DSN, this was there reply:

'Good morning,
We are currently not suppling this, however Libre3 isn’t an upgrade from Libre2. Libre 3 is a CGM.
Any further questions please don’t hesitate to contact us,'

This sort of response really annoys me, they assume you are clueless, when tbh you probably know more about it than they do!
Anyway, fingers crossed it will come around sometime soon.
 
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Antje77

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Hi all,

Android phones are compatible with libre sensors and most of them, if not all of them are cheaper than iOS. I have been a loyal user to iOS for so many years and it stopped along with libre one. iOS was supporting libre app and nothing else. There was a short episode with another developer app but iOS stopped supporting it quickly.

At the same time, Android was offering xdrip. Readings were not ideal even with frequent calibration, but it was close. The biggest advantage was early warning and alarms. First series of libre was working like proper CGM for me. Incl alarms and constant reading to my phone and watch. One-off purchase of signal transmitter miao-miao, which was attached to libre sensor and it was working like a dream for years.

I have now switched to libre 2. Transmitter is not compatible anymore. Only libre alarms which I find a bit disappointing. Abbott still didn't work out how to send readings to the app without scanning every 8hrs. Libre 3 out of reach, but will be chasing.
On android, the Libre2 works like a CGM if you use DiaBox without the need to use a MiaoMiao, worth looking into. I've used it for a couple of years now.
Facebook group on DiaBox here: https://www.facebook.com/groups/974278412920319
You can download the app here, it's not in the play store: https://sirius.thetaphi.de/diabox/?...qIKM_GJmNa9uxULYO3Z4_rqMzF8RMIBlIPel0tiP6IDe0
 

Zinadane

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On android, the Libre2 works like a CGM if you use DiaBox without the need to use a MiaoMiao, worth looking into. I've used it for a couple of years now.
Facebook group on DiaBox here: https://www.facebook.com/groups/974278412920319
You can download the app here, it's not in the play store: https://sirius.thetaphi.de/diabox/?...qIKM_GJmNa9uxULYO3Z4_rqMzF8RMIBlIPel0tiP6IDe0
Xdrip for me (again a very helpfull facebook group is available). Effectively making my L2 a CGM.
Readouts streamed onto my phone and Garmin watch etc.
Works so well for me!
 
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Finnlee

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Assuming it's the same as the L2, you can change the sounds. It's not configurable to play a different file, but if you replace the 3 LL files with 3 of your choice you'll get a quieter life;).

Can't remeber the file locations off hand but can find them if you want.

edit: /storage/emulated/0/Notifications/FreeStyle LibreLink - *
The Libre 3 app is very similar to the Libre 2 app, but the alarms are not changeable in Libre 3 - not the sound and not the volume.

I tried looking for this file for the Libre 3 app and couldn't get it changed. If anyone has done this in Libre 3 (Android), I would love to know how to change the alarm sounds.

Right now, I've got the alarms switched off because they wreak havoc on my nerves when they go off. I just keep a closer eye on my readings which is easy to do since the app changes in real time (the Libre 3 reader requires you to change screens to get an updated reading).
 

miahara

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I'm in Germany and earlier this year, my insurance said everyone with FreeStyle Libre 2 would be switched to FSL 3 by the end of the year.

I'm not sure if that means FSL 2 will be discontinued, though. At the moment, FSL 2 is still available to purchase in cash on the freestylelibre.de website, as is FSL 1. And whether you buy FSL 1, 2 or 3, a sensor still costs €59.90 if not on prescription.

I've already got a batch of 3s and they're great, but the alarm sound in the app is absolutely horrible. I'm going back to using the FSL 3 reader after my current sensor finishes solely because the app's alarm sound and volume can't be changed. The alarm is so loud it hurts my ears and makes my heart race for an hour after. That's the only downside of FSL 3 that I've found so far, and that's only with the app - activating the sensor with the reader avoids that issue.
Can you confirm that there is a reader available for FSL 3? I was under the impression that it could only be used with a phone, and this rather worried me as I seldom carry a phone and just use the reader which I carry in my shirt pocket with my FSL 2.
 
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