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Dr ted Naiman is now employed by Diet Dr. Hence change of direction!
Ah yes P:E. I think I am wary of this diet direction. Increasing protein with exercise is coming from the Bodybuilding and the weightlifting section of the population. Protein with exercise does seem to be beneficial in terms of all cause mortality especially if the exercise is aerobic. Bodybuilding on the other hand does not involve aerobic exercise and this activity decreases life expectancy (compared to the general populace). Edit to add note: This cohort does take a load of supplements and growth hormone that may explain this trend
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I see what you mean. I googled P:E diet and my inbox flooded with references to Ted Naiman. I now understand. When you google safety of P:E diet there is absolutely nothing coming back that supports that POV. what safety checks have been done ? there is plenty that say excessive protein can cause kidney problems.
As you yourself have pointed out there are lots of contributing factors suggesting higher protein reduces life expectancy many of which would not apply to us diabetics using such a method. So a specific issue to drug taking bodybuilding rather than exercise neutral. Where are you sourcing the information that exercise is required for protein to be beneficial? And everything I’ve read debunks the myth that protein harms healthy kidneys. It may well be different for kidneys already struggling. Kind of surprised to see the sweeping generalities without the kind of evidence you usually provide. Sounds a bit like an eatwell advocate rubbishing eating fat to me.Ah yes P:E. I think I am wary of this diet direction. Increasing protein with exercise is coming from the Bodybuilding and the weightlifting section of the population. Protein with exercise does seem to be beneficial in terms of all cause mortality especially if the exercise is aerobic. Bodybuilding on the other hand does not involve aerobic exercise and this activity decreases life expectancy (compared to the general populace). Edit to add note: This cohort does take a load of supplements and growth hormone that may explain this trend
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Reasons are unclear, but use of testosterone and other performance enhance drugs could be a contributing factor.
So for P:E to benefit us diabetics, it necessitates aerobic exercise otherwise it could be harmful(?) As a sedentary diabetic, I will avoid pushing my protein up too much. I wondered where all these suggestions on the forum for protein shakes was coming from.
I am not an Eatwell proponent or advocate, and I did not mention fat at all. If you read this article then one of the levers is exercise. Exercise turns protein into muscle and also turns lipid fat into muscle, so uses up excess amino acids. Makes sense really. But there are many on this Forum who are not able to do meaningful exercise and for these it is not a good idea to push protein heavy diets. I am talking on behalf of this cohort.
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Oh I’m well aware you don’t support eatwell and wasn’t suggesting that, more comparing the anti protein argument to the anti fat one that is oft heard.I am not an Eatwell proponent or advocate, and I did not mention fat at all. If you read this article then one of the levers is exercise. Exercise turns protein into muscle and also turns lipid fat into muscle, so uses up excess amino acids. Makes sense really. But there are many on this Forum who are not able to do meaningful exercise and for these it is not a good idea to push protein heavy diets. I am talking on behalf of this cohort.
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We have 5 basic dietary levers that we can juggle. Carbs, fibre, minerals, protein and fat. The PE diet emphasises the protein aspect at the cost of reduced fat, and minimises carbs and fibre. I am not convinced that this strategy has been proven to be safe long term. As a T2D using diet control, I have to consider my control needs will be long term (8 years to date)
I have had difficulty finding proper studies on the P:E diet. There is one done by Harvard, and one by a Japanese uni, and a lot of the chatter on the internet traces back to one or other of these studies. They were both short term studies with low numbers, and I would have been happier if there had been more research popping up to support the Naiman initiative. But there is a lot of bland statements being made that I feel are not backed by science (yet)
The high protein diets are usually time limited, and the term pumping iron I believe is the short period used to prime the muscles before a contest using high protein and exercise regime. It is a different story when looking for a diet plan suitable to control a condition such as diabetes.
These sentences confuse me. (Easily done at this time). Can you explain them again please
The muscle scavenging aspect is associated with keto diets with insufficient protein intake. I believe it was Phinney and Volek who came up with adding fat to prevent this. Since P:E is increased protein this will probably be avoided too, but where the crossover occurs needs more research.
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And that would be why many on keto advise protein is a goal to meet.The muscle scavenging aspect is associated with keto diets with insufficient protein intake. I believe it was Phinney and Volek who came up with adding fat to prevent this. Since P:E is increased protein this will probably be avoided too, but where the crossover occurs needs more research.
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The comment on pescatorian is his own personal contribution, so this ties in with my earlier comment that the changes to Diet Doctor may be to include vegetarians.
The qualification comments were made to show that anyone can put forward a thesis or blog, but they are not necessarily the best authority on the subject. He has a slick marketing campaign, but little science behind it. I was bought up in an era where teams of scientists worked on a problem and peer reviewed their work, and then presented their findings. Nowadays we have single guru worship publishing a book and it is not necessarily properly researched. The Carni diet is indeed in full swing but it has not been going long enough to make sure there are no wrinkles. I mean, Atkins had to reformulate their diet plan and that was the forerunner of P:E.
