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whey protien
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jack412
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It use to be a waste product, now it's worth more than the cheese per Kg.
I don't use it and there really is no need to get any protein from whey
15-recipes-for-low-carb-gluten-free-breads
http://www.diabetes.co.uk/forum/threads/15-recipes-for-low-carb-gluten-free-breads.56353/
I don't use it and there really is no need to get any protein from whey
15-recipes-for-low-carb-gluten-free-breads
http://www.diabetes.co.uk/forum/threads/15-recipes-for-low-carb-gluten-free-breads.56353/
AlexMBrennan
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Well, whey protein works out cheaper per gram protein than most foods, and in particular the cheapest almond flour I found I £16/kg vs £12/g for whey.
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Avocado Sevenfold
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Sorry, I don't understand the second half of that sentences. Do you mean no need for anyone or yourself?
jack412
Expert
IMO, no need for anyone with normal needs and diet and according to sports org, there is no need for Elite male endurance athletes either
http://www.ausport.gov.au/ais/nutrition/factsheets/basics/protein_-_how_much
Are protein supplements useful?
Generally, athletes can obtain all the protein they require from a good mixed diet. Occasionally, an athlete may require a supplement when a practical way to consume sufficient food cannot be found. Many protein supplements are very expensive due primarily to the amount of marketing that accompanies products and the processing required to extract the protein from cow’s milk. They tend to provide very large amounts of protein and little other nutrients. There is no need for the amount of protein provided by many supplements and there is certainly no justification for the extra cost. The most suitable supplement is one that provides both protein and carbohydrate. Good alternatives to protein supplements include homemade fruit smoothies, liquid meal supplements such as PowerBar Protein Plus powder and 20 g skim milk powder added to regular milk.
Can athletes have too much protein?
Daily protein intakes under 2 g/kg BM in healthy people are unlikely to cause side effects. Less is known about the long-term side effects of protein intakes above 2 g/kg BM. High protein intakes can increase the amount of calcium excreted in the urine. This may cause problems with athletes at risk of weakened bones - for example, female athletes with low energy intakes who are not menstruating. High protein intakes are also known to accelerate the progression of pre-existing kidney disease.
From a nutritional point of view, excessive intakes of protein tend to be expensive especially if protein supplements are used. High protein intakes based on the consumption of large amounts of animal foods (e.g. meat and dairy foods) can result in a greater fat intake. High protein intakes may increase fluid requirements. However, the main concern is that excessive focus on high protein foods may displace other valuable foods (e.g. fruit and vegetables) or other important nutrients such as carbohydrate and fibre from the diet.
http://www.ausport.gov.au/ais/nutrition/factsheets/basics/protein_-_how_much
Are protein supplements useful?
Generally, athletes can obtain all the protein they require from a good mixed diet. Occasionally, an athlete may require a supplement when a practical way to consume sufficient food cannot be found. Many protein supplements are very expensive due primarily to the amount of marketing that accompanies products and the processing required to extract the protein from cow’s milk. They tend to provide very large amounts of protein and little other nutrients. There is no need for the amount of protein provided by many supplements and there is certainly no justification for the extra cost. The most suitable supplement is one that provides both protein and carbohydrate. Good alternatives to protein supplements include homemade fruit smoothies, liquid meal supplements such as PowerBar Protein Plus powder and 20 g skim milk powder added to regular milk.
Can athletes have too much protein?
Daily protein intakes under 2 g/kg BM in healthy people are unlikely to cause side effects. Less is known about the long-term side effects of protein intakes above 2 g/kg BM. High protein intakes can increase the amount of calcium excreted in the urine. This may cause problems with athletes at risk of weakened bones - for example, female athletes with low energy intakes who are not menstruating. High protein intakes are also known to accelerate the progression of pre-existing kidney disease.
From a nutritional point of view, excessive intakes of protein tend to be expensive especially if protein supplements are used. High protein intakes based on the consumption of large amounts of animal foods (e.g. meat and dairy foods) can result in a greater fat intake. High protein intakes may increase fluid requirements. However, the main concern is that excessive focus on high protein foods may displace other valuable foods (e.g. fruit and vegetables) or other important nutrients such as carbohydrate and fibre from the diet.
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Avocado Sevenfold
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Thanks Jack. Can I pick you brains some more please? Do you know if we should be aiming for the RDA of protein or keeping it lower to protect our kidneys?
Sorry for the hijack, Cath x
Sorry for the hijack, Cath x
jack412
Expert
Not my brains, Dr google and I can't find anything to support more protein than your base requirement of recreational endurance athletes 0.8-1.0g per Kg of 'lean BM' or recommended weight @0.7-8g per Kg is close enough.
http://www.healthstatus.com/calculate/lean-body-mass
As you know, if you have crook kidneys, high protein is like pouring petrol on a fire and is supported by the link "High protein intakes are also known to accelerate the progression of pre-existing kidney disease."
Now Dr will tell you your kidneys are 'good', even when they have reduced function, early CKD. So you need a copy of your blood test.
ref: http://www.kidney.org.au/kidneydisease/tabid/578/default.aspx
Given diabetics are subject to chronic kidney disease, I wouldn't play Russian roulette and play what I call safe.
low carb and lots of low carb veg, normal protein = nn/x calories and make up the rest of the calories with a healthy assortment of fat,
http://www.healthstatus.com/calculate/lean-body-mass
As you know, if you have crook kidneys, high protein is like pouring petrol on a fire and is supported by the link "High protein intakes are also known to accelerate the progression of pre-existing kidney disease."
Now Dr will tell you your kidneys are 'good', even when they have reduced function, early CKD. So you need a copy of your blood test.
ref: http://www.kidney.org.au/kidneydisease/tabid/578/default.aspx
Given diabetics are subject to chronic kidney disease, I wouldn't play Russian roulette and play what I call safe.
low carb and lots of low carb veg, normal protein = nn/x calories and make up the rest of the calories with a healthy assortment of fat,
cath99
Well-Known Member
It use to be a waste product, now it's worth more than the cheese per Kg.
I don't use it and there really is no need to get any protein from whey
15-recipes-for-low-carb-gluten-free-breads
http://www.diabetes.co.uk/forum/threads/15-recipes-for-low-carb-gluten-free-breads.56353/
i saw chickpea flour at a asain store and did wonder what to do with it thanks jack ur a star and an excellent teacher im learning all the time from you x
cath99
Well-Known Member
yes i use almond flour and coconut but saw alot mostly usa in atkins diet they use instead of flour , its so pricey gone are the days nipping to store for 19p flour
lol x
jack412
Expert
don't buy off the netyes i use almond flour and coconut but saw alot mostly usa in atkins diet they use instead of flour , its so pricey gone are the days nipping to store for 19p flour
almond flour = also called almond meal, finely ground/ food processor almonds
coconut flour = desiccated coconut also put through the food processor if you want to, I use it as is
as you said, asian/indian for the chic pea and soy flour, also good for cheap virgin coconut oil
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