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sarah74

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bristol
Type of diabetes
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Tablets (oral)
hi, I have just been diagnosed diabetic, I haven't actually seen a dr or diabetic nurse just spoke to them on the phone when getting my blood results, she told me to out all sugar until I see her on the 27th October, my mind is saying they have got it wrong if I was they would want to see me sooner, or on the other hand it cant be that bad or else they would want to see me sooner as well! im soo confused the lack of sugar aint helping either!!
 
Hi Sarah and welcome!

T2 (I assume that is what you have been diagnosed as) diagnosis usually comes as a bit of a shock followed by confusion from often conflicting advice. But don’t panic, it can be managed. It does require a bit of a lifestyle change in terms of diet and discipline, but we can and will help you with that. We were all in the same boat once!

The main priority is to get blood sugars under control, and there's a lot you can do even before your appointment with the DN (the delay and lack of immediate guidance is not uncommon). This means not just cutting out sugars but significantly reducing carbohydrates as well. Carbohydrates metabolise quickly to sugar in the system (some take a little longer than others) and so for diabetics they act basically as if they were sugar. So you need to cut out starchy carbs as much as possible – bread, potatoes, pasta and rice. This may be contrary to medical profession guidance you will receive to eat carbs with every meal – this is fundamentally flawed advice rejected by most well-controlled T2s on here.

In order to learn what foods you can and cannot tolerate it is recommended that you have a test meter (not usually prescribed for T2s). With this you can measure your blood glucose (BG) levels before and after meals and see what ‘spikes’ you. Again this may be contrary to professional advice you might receive which often regards testing as pointless. But how else are you supposed to learn? Many on here use the SD Codefree system (from Amazon etc) because the strips are the most cost-effective.

For low carb foods try and go for those that have less than 10g total carbohydrate per 100g, less than 5g if you can. Ignore the ‘of which sugar’ bit, that’s irrelevant to us. You will become an avid reader of food labels! As well as carbs avoid tropical fruits including bananas which are full of sugar – for us berry fruits are best.

Try to relax and ask any questions you like.
 
Hi Sarah, as sanguine says, cutting down on carbs can do wonders for controlling blood glucose level. I follow the advice of http://www.dietdoctor.com/lchf and by doing this I can keep my bg normal. So cut down on carbs and up the fat!
 
Hello Sarah and welcome to the forum :)

Here is the information we give to new members and I hope you will find it useful. Ask as many questions as you need to and someone will be able to help.

BASIC INFORMATION FOR NEWLY DIAGNOSED DIABETICS

Diabetes is the general term to describe people who have blood that is sweeter than normal. A number of different types of diabetes exist.

A diagnosis of diabetes tends to be a big shock for most of us. It’s far from the end of the world though and on this forum you’ll find over 100,000 people who are demonstrating this.

On the forum we have found that with the number of new people being diagnosed with diabetes each day, sometimes the NHS is not being able to give all the advice it would perhaps like to deliver - particularly with regards to people with type 2 diabetes.

The role of carbohydrate

Carbohydrates are a factor in diabetes because they ultimately break down into sugar (glucose) within our blood. We then need enough insulin to either convert the blood sugar into energy for our body, or to store the blood sugar as body fat.

If the amount of carbohydrate we take in is more than our body’s own (or injected) insulin can cope with, then our blood sugar will rise.

The bad news

Research indicates that raised blood sugar levels over a period of years can lead to organ damage, commonly referred to as diabetic complications.

The good news

People on the forum here have shown that there is plenty of opportunity to keep blood sugar levels from going too high. It’s a daily task but it’s within our reach and it’s well worth the effort.

Controlling your carbs

The info below is primarily aimed at people with type 2 diabetes, however, it may also be of benefit for other types of diabetes as well.
There are two approaches to controlling your carbs:

  • Reduce your carbohydrate intake
  • Choose ‘better’ carbohydrates

Reduce your carbohydrates

A large number of people on this forum have chosen to reduce the amount of carbohydrates they eat as they have found this to be an effective way of improving (lowering) their blood sugar levels.

The carbohydrates which tend to have the most pronounced effect on blood sugar levels tend to be starchy carbohydrates such as rice, pasta, bread, potatoes and similar root vegetables, flour based products (pastry, cakes, biscuits, battered food etc) and certain fruits.

Choosing better carbohydrates

Another option is to replace ‘white carbohydrates’ (such as white bread, white rice, white flour etc) with whole grain varieties. The idea behind having whole grain varieties is that the carbohydrates get broken down slower than the white varieties –and these are said to have a lower glycaemic index.
http://www.diabetes.co.uk/food/diabetes-and-whole-grains.html

The low glycaemic index diet is often favoured by healthcare professionals but some people with diabetes find that low GI does not help their blood sugar enough and may wish to cut out these foods altogether.

Read more on carbohydrates and diabetes

Eating what works for you

Different people respond differently to different types of food. What works for one person may not work so well for another. The best way to see which foods are working for you is to test your blood sugar with a glucose meter.

To be able to see what effect a particular type of food or meal has on your blood sugar is to do a test before the meal and then test after the meal. A test 2 hours after the meal gives a good idea of how your body has reacted to the meal.

The blood sugar ranges recommended by NICE are as follows:

Blood glucose ranges for type 2 diabetes
  • Before meals: 4 to 7 mmol/l
  • 2 hours after meals: under 8.5 mmol/l
Blood glucose ranges for type 1 diabetes (adults)
  • Before meals: 4 to 7 mmol/l
  • 2 hours after meals: under 9 mmol/l
Blood glucose ranges for type 1 diabetes (children)
  • Before meals: 4 to 8 mmol/l
  • 2 hours after meals: under 10 mmol/l
However, those that are able to, may wish to keep blood sugar levels below the NICE after meal targets.

Access to blood glucose test strips

The NICE guidelines suggest that people newly diagnosed with type 2 diabetes should be offered:

  • structured education to every person and/or their carer at and around the time of diagnosis, with annual reinforcement and review
  • self-monitoring of plasma glucose to a person newly diagnosed with type 2 diabetes only as an integral part of his or her self-management education

Therefore both structured education and self-monitoring of blood glucose should be offered to people with type 2 diabetes. Read more on getting access to bloodglucose testing supplies.

You may also be interested to read questions to ask at a diabetic clinic

Note: This post has been edited from Sue/Ken's post to include up to date information.
 
Hi Sarah welcome from me too:) I think the others have given you plenty to think about for now, but if you have any questions ask away!
 
Hello Sarah from another T2. As a newbie on here I find the welcome and info on here really helpful. There's a lot of conflicting advice outside this forum so I've copied off some of the posts such as those above and if I get confused I just re-read them, and they remind me of what is at heart quite a simple series of steps towards managing my condition, and give me a sense of achievement. Thank you all again and all the best, Sarah.
 
hi, I have just been diagnosed diabetic, I haven't actually seen a dr or diabetic nurse just spoke to them on the phone when getting my blood results, she told me to out all sugar until I see her on the 27th October, my mind is saying they have got it wrong if I was they would want to see me sooner, or on the other hand it cant be that bad or else they would want to see me sooner as well! im soo confused the lack of sugar aint helping either!!

Sounds sensible initial advice.
Without knowing your results,or what tests led to the diagnosis, or current diet, it's worth taking it slowly, seeing the nurse in a couple of weeks, and taking it from there.
It's better to bring blood sugar down slowly, let your body adjust to the falling levels, and find a diet you like, and can keep to, rather than try for a massive change in your lifestyle in the first couple of days.
Have a read through the forum, there are many different methods and different diets used by a lot of the members on here, the good thing is they all work.
My health care team didn't prescribe a meter initially, but after a chat with them, they realised I was committed, agreed it would help, so now I do get strips on prescription. It is hit and miss for most though.
You can ring the doctors back, ask for your results, then post them back up in the meantime.
 
Hi!! Think I am having a similar experience to you at the moment! See my current thread! It's all so confusing isn't it. I still 4 weeks on wake up feeling like I just don't want to think about diabetes anymore!! But I m not going to stick my head in the sand and this forum helps me not to do that.
 
Hi Sarah and welcome!

T2 (I assume that is what you have been diagnosed as) diagnosis usually comes as a bit of a shock followed by confusion from often conflicting advice. But don’t panic, it can be managed. It does require a bit of a lifestyle change in terms of diet and discipline, but we can and will help you with that. We were all in the same boat once!

The main priority is to get blood sugars under control, and there's a lot you can do even before your appointment with the DN (the delay and lack of immediate guidance is not uncommon). This means not just cutting out sugars but significantly reducing carbohydrates as well. Carbohydrates metabolise quickly to sugar in the system (some take a little longer than others) and so for diabetics they act basically as if they were sugar. So you need to cut out starchy carbs as much as possible – bread, potatoes, pasta and rice. This may be contrary to medical profession guidance you will receive to eat carbs with every meal – this is fundamentally flawed advice rejected by most well-controlled T2s on here.

In order to learn what foods you can and cannot tolerate it is recommended that you have a test meter (not usually prescribed for T2s). With this you can measure your blood glucose (BG) levels before and after meals and see what ‘spikes’ you. Again this may be contrary to professional advice you might receive which often regards testing as pointless. But how else are you supposed to learn? Many on here use the SD Codefree system (from Amazon etc) because the strips are the most cost-effective.

For low carb foods try and go for those that have less than 10g total carbohydrate per 100g, less than 5g if you can. Ignore the ‘of which sugar’ bit, that’s irrelevant to us. You will become an avid reader of food labels! As well as carbs avoid tropical fruits including bananas which are full of sugar – for us berry fruits are best.

Try to relax and ask any questions you like.
Great post. This should make a big difference Sarah. Good luck with doc.
 
aww, big thanks guys for your advice and support it really means a lot to me, I am a single parent with no one really to talk to about my new condition, so I am very grateful x
 
Hi Sam, yes very confusing I feel like I'm left in limbo land, not knowing quite what to do. Are you on medication or diet controlled? X

Hi!! Think I am having a similar experience to you at the moment! See my current thread! It's all so confusing isn't it. I still 4 weeks on wake up feeling like I just don't want to think about diabetes anymore!! But I m not going to stick my head in the sand and this forum helps me not to do that.

Hi!! Think I am having a similar experience to you at the moment! See my current thread! It's all so confusing isn't it. I still 4 weeks on wake up feeling like I just don't want to think about diabetes anymore!! But I m not going to stick my head in the sand and this
 
They sent me away 4 weeks ago with metformin twice a day, said eat healthily and left me to it! Once my head stopped spinning I did loads of reading and research- here and other sites and decided to do LCHF. 4 weeks on I've reduced my BG from 13 to usually in 7s or 8s and lost weight. However, return visit to practice nurse and GP have not agreed with the LCHF diet! Trying to decide whether to follow NHS advice or my own instinct! Very confusing! Think I'm sticking with LCHF as it's working for me but replace some meat and dairy with more fish and nuts.
 
They sent me away 4 weeks ago with metformin twice a day, said eat healthily and left me to it! Once my head stopped spinning I did loads of reading and research- here and other sites and decided to do LCHF. 4 weeks on I've reduced my BG from 13 to usually in 7s or 8s and lost weight. However, return visit to practice nurse and GP have not agreed with the LCHF diet! Trying to decide whether to follow NHS advice or my own instinct! Very confusing! Think I'm sticking with LCHF as it's working for me but replace some meat and dairy with more fish and nuts.
The BG numbers speak for themselves. Nice idea to vary things a little by introducing more fish & nuts but ultimately you are seeing the benefits. Did your doc/DSN say why they didn't want you to continue with your chosen diet considering the great results ? Strange.
 
well done for bringing your bg down, I feel like I have been hit by a bomb, they rang to say I am diabetic and made me appointment for 2 weeks and if it taste sweet don't have it, I feel a bit let down tbh,I know to them in just another number, oh well, on wards and upwards x
 
well done for bringing your bg down, I feel like I have been hit by a bomb, they rang to say I am diabetic and made me appointment for 2 weeks and if it taste sweet don't have it, I feel a bit let down tbh,I know to them in just another number, oh well, on wards and upwards x
I can really empathise with that feeling. And then my fury 4 weeks later when they said I was doing it wrong!! I think that you just need to read loads when the shock lessens a bit and decide what you feel you can try and see if it works for you. Well that's what I'm trying to do!!!

@Micky25 - the GP said that my cholesterol was on the high side and that eating fat would make it worse. The jury is still out on that one.....
 
@sanguine An excellent post, up there at the top of the first page! But I would add in the words in blue below:

"This may be contrary to much medical profession guidance you will receive to eat carbs with every meal – this is fundamentally flawed advice rejected by most well-controlled T2s on here and by many of the better informed and interested doctors and consultants."

I think it is important to emphasise to newbies that we are not going against all medical advice, just against the sillier remarks of the less well informed. Hope you don't mind me saying this.
Sally
 
@sanguine An excellent post, up there at the top of the first page! But I would add in the words in blue below:

"This may be contrary to much medical profession guidance you will receive to eat carbs with every meal – this is fundamentally flawed advice rejected by most well-controlled T2s on here and by many of the better informed and interested doctors and consultants."

I think it is important to emphasise to newbies that we are not going against all medical advice, just against the sillier remarks of the less well informed. Hope you don't mind me saying this.
Sally

Although, you are dismissing the majority of the worlds health care advice as 'silly', which has never been a particularly informative adjective.
 
I think it is silly to advise people who can't process sugars and whose health will ultimately be destroyed by excess, to consume them in quantity at every meal. In fact I could use a stronger series of adjectives, but won't.
Sally
 
...................... she told me to out all sugar until I see her on the 27th October, ........

I think it is silly to advise people who can't process sugars and whose health will ultimately be destroyed by excess, to consume them in quantity at every meal. In fact I could use a stronger series of adjectives, but won't.
Sally

OK
 
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