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LCHF diet to help you lose weight, not diabetes

zand said:
Yes it would! That's my point! As many of you are always saying 'we are all different' and we adjust LCHF or LCEF or RCIF or whatever else you want to call it to suit ourselves and our bodies.
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So it is low carb for most, but too high carb for you?

Maybe as a low carber, sayiing it's low carb, but too high in carbs, the rest of us tend to get a mixed message on what low carb is?
 
Chris P Bacon said:
I should not have involved myself in your discussion, I was suggesting it may not frighten someone new, I wasn't afraid of the concept is what I meant, never meant to suggest the opposite.
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Chris, please do not be put off from posting.
And please do not apologise for having an opinion and expressing it.

I, and probably many others, agree with your comments.

It would be very unfortunate if you thought that @douglas99 's comments represented the majority of people on this forum.

I can assure you that is not the case.
 
douglas99 said:
So it is low carb for most, but too high carb for you?

Maybe as a low carber, sayiing it's low carb, but too high in carbs, the rest of us tend to get a mixed message on what low carb is?
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Oh for goodness sake, I think most people have the brains to work out that they need to find the right level of carbs and fats for themselves. Most people also don't continually pick fights with everyone, including newbies.
 
douglas99 said:
If just seems to be a common word, people who don't eat fat have a 'fear' of it, which seems an odd phrase.
Again though, why the belief it would frighten people?

I don't eat it, I don't like it, I don't need the empty calories. I can't really say it's scary.
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Your correct, it is playing with words. it is offensive to call a person fat, yet tell them to go high fat diet.
 
zand said:
Oh for goodness sake, I think most people have the brains to work out that they need to find the right level of carbs and fats for themselves. Most people also don't continually pick fights with everyone, including newbies.
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Brunneria said:
Chris, please do not be put off from posting.
And please do not apologise for having an opinion and expressing it.

I, and probably many others, agree with your comments.

It would be very unfortunate if you thought that @douglas99 's comments represented the majority of people on this forum.

I can assure you that is not the case.
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Again, a very odd attitude, a definition of low carb is a bad thing, claiming people are scared of fat is normal, and the majority on here believe there is an actual fear of fat.

But fair comment, I'll take it on board during further conversations if that is what you believe.
 
izzzi said:
Your correct, it is playing with words. it is offensive to call a person fat, yet tell them to go high fat diet.
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No it's not! What is offensive is to tell them they are fat and then to give them various diets which don't work. Then of course next comes the accusation that the fat person didn't stick to the diets and that's why they are still fat. That's what offends me.
 
zand said:
No it's not! What is offensive is to tell them they are fat and then to give them various diets which don't work. Then of course next comes the accusation that the fat person didn't stick to the diets and that's why they are still fat. That's what offends me.
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You've said no one sticks to diets, not just fat people, diets don't work, apart from LCHF.
 
douglas99 said:
You've said no one sticks to diets, not just fat people, diets don't work, apart from LCHF.
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I didn't say anything of the kind. I was referring to the diets given to me by my GP, which I stuck to, to the letter, and which didn't work even in the short term . LCHF is a lifestyle choice not a diet. It's for life, many people have been doing this for 6 or 7 years. I am getting very tired of your constant arguing and petty mindedness.
 
zand said:
I didn't say anything of the kind. I was referring to the diets given to me by my GP, which I stuck to, to the letter, and which didn't work even in the short term . LCHF is a lifestyle choice not a diet. It's for life, many people have been doing this for 6 or 7 years. I am getting very tired of your constant arguing and petty mindedness.
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Feel free to leave anytime.
I believe there is an 'ignore' option?
 
AnnieC said:
I do agree that for most people the LCHF diet is good at keeping their BG levels down but it is also a weight loss diet so for those people who do not need to loose weight they will still do so on the diet that is a fact and this is not so good as being underweight can cause it's own complications.
When I started to watch my eating having been told I was prediabetic I cut right down on the starchy foods and stopped eating bread potatoes and other root veg and kept mostly to leafy stuff..I.never did eat much rice or pasta.. and of course I cut out altogether all the sugar stuff.and started to eat full fat yogurt cream and butter but that did not stop me from loosing weight and after about 4 weeks I had lost over a stone I had never been overweight in my life so this was a lot for me to loose I looked so skinny.. my GP was not very pleased.. I had to start eating some starchy carbs again just to keep my weight from dropping even more. I still struggle to keep it up so I eat a lot of nuts cheese and good oils but would dearly like to put on a few pounds again.
We just can't generalise that the LCHF is what every diabetic should be doing when we know nothing about their individual circumstances like other medical conditions that higher fat may not be good for or any other problems they may have yet without knowing any of this about them newbies are still told almost straight away they must stop eating certain foods altogether and eat more fats to get their BG levels down when this could be dangerous for some people Certainly tell them about LCHF but do stress it is not suitable for everyone and if they have other medical issues they should check with their consultant or doctor before embarking on it
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It is not a weight loss diet. I have lived healthily on lower carbs for 50+ years. 30+ as a type 1. Majority of my adult life has been a size 8-10 with a short while at a size 12 when I was actually trying to eat toast or bread or porridge as breakfast.

I have never ate large portions of anything. Going to early this year when I added more fat in I did lose weight.. But now my body is used to more fat it is back to size 10 again from a size 8.

Portion size is key.... And with less than 60g of carb a day as I normally eat... You do not have to lose weight.

Putting more fat in to my diet was also important as I have never ate enough.

Personally I struggle with eating enough as I do not get hunger signals and unless my hubby leaves breakfast out for me or leaves my dinner (even salad) prepared for me I just wouldn't bother eating by myself.

You do not have to lose weight on a lower carb eating lifestyle.
 
This is fast becoming an argument as opposed to a discussion. It is far from helpful for newly diagnosed.

Will you please get back on track.
 
I'm not sure if this is on track but Izzy's first post in the thread starts
I am confused to why a LCHF weight diet seems to be the answer to the long term control to Diabetes. High fat and heart problems comes more to mind
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Denise Minger a (paleo blogger with absolutely no qualification but a lot of influence in the Paleo community for her tearing apart of the China study puts up a Devils Advocate account) describes here that there have been very good recorded results in respect to both the control of diabetes and CVD and kidney problems with the complete opposite to HFLC ie very low fat diets (10% fat) so necessarily very high carb diets . Personally, I've recently come across many people who eat in this way and are just as vociferous as those who espouse HFLC
. I would myself find this sort of diet hard, I don't eat like this and eat considerably more fat but I also would not like to eat LCHF if that meant 70%+ fat.. My own diet is far more influenced by a Med diet so maybe I just sit in the middle!
I offer it as food for thought no more, you don't even have to comment . But just consider, what would happen if someone suggested this on an opening thread as the way to go, what the reactions would be, would they stay here on this forum or go elsewhere?
 
I come late into the discussion here, but have read all posts.

As I posted in a recently now closed and very long thread 'Are we losing the plot', I said that I was certainly – as a then new poster two years ago – scared off from the forum for about a year before daring to come back. My kind of 'hesitant' first post as a very insecure newbie was about low carbing and higher fats as a potential way forward. The response to that was not a good experience (especially one poster had it full speed for me and in rather unkindly terms).

So my take on this is to

- go gently with newbies

- tell which diet worked for you (and give guidance about your personal diet plan)

- do not shoot newbies down if they are kind of fumbling around what they should do, and if they have kind of queer ideas about what their diet and bg numbers should be, but explain in a kindly way what you think

I think that in such a good forum as this, there should be room for (mostly) all (but not the hecklers).

annelise
 
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